Vino bought the 2010 LBL?

[Eric8-A]

How much do you recieve when you win LBL?

 

[craig1985]

I would say P-R of all the Classics would cost more, then RVV, and L-B-L.

 

[craig1985]

How much do you recieve when you win LBL?

http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2011/04/liege-bastogne-liege-2011/

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

Yeah, that's a lawsuit all right.

I hope Vino will unleash the same badass lawyer on them that made him dodge the UCI fine.

 

[BroDeal]

http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2011/04/liege-bastogne-liege-2011/

Divide that 20K between the team members. This does bring up a few questions. In these situations do the teammates of the bribee get a taste or does bribee take the whole 100K for himself? Do the teammates even know that Kolobnev sold the race? Do the teammates get p!ssed to find out they are out about a thousand euros that they would have gotten from the win?

 

[Martin318is]

http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2011/04/liege-bastogne-liege-2011/

That said, what is a win in L-B-L worth for negotiating your next contract?

 

[Eric8-A]

I'd say the person taking the bribe keeps it all to himself.

 

[joe_papp]

$$$$$$

... In these situations do the teammates of the bribee get a taste or does bribee take the whole 100K for himself? Do the teammates even know that Kolobnev sold the race? Do the teammates get p!ssed to find out they are out about a thousand euros that they would have gotten from the win?

Speaking from experience, though not at the level of Vino of course, if the deal was arranged b/w Vino and Kolobnev w/o the knowledge of or assistance of their director(s), then no, the teammates would not typically get a taste. B/c they would not typically know. I don't believe that the teammates of 2nd place finisher would be upset based only on the prize money differential, b/c with a bribe that big, Kolobnev might be inclined to hand-out consolation prizes to his teammates for his not winning, though that's not "required" by any means.

It's more complicated when directors are buying the help of other teams/riders or selling their own squad's services. Then everyone involved has to know what's going on and what the benefit is that they'll see - either financially, or strategically in the context of the race (typically stage races).

 

[craig1985]

I would keep the bribe quiet, because if I told my team mates and gave them a 'cut' of the bribe, what's stopping one of them from spilling the beans on what happened if they test positive and they want to drag me down as well? The only person I may tell would me my wife, but that's about it, nobody, so it can't get out that you took a bribe and you wouldn't have that cloud over your head with people gossiping and speculating that you took a bribe or not.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

I hope this is not true as I had money on Kolobnev to win LBL at odds 52!

 

[KazakhNeRider]

for me it's absolute nonsense! To change LBL win which can write your name in history for 100.000? Is Kolobnev really so cheap to make this choice? His salary was 500-750.000, how it could change with LBL win if we talk just about money?

 

[Sophistic]

The only way i can see Kolobnev selling LBL for just 100k is that he was tired and didnt believe in his chances anymore, so he basically offered his help for 100k and not the win.

 

[jens_attacks]

things like this are gentleman's acts which don't leak in the press,happened all the time.my serious worry is why vino isn't using an anti-virus or why has he such a lame password?lol hopefully this was the most important leak.not a biggie.

 

[BroDeal]

things like this are gentleman's acts which don't leak in the press,happened all the time.my serious worry is why vino isn't using an anti-virus or why has he such a lame password?lol hopefully this was the most important leak.not a biggie.

More is sure to come. I mean look at Vino. You know the guy's a playa. That dawg has to have five or six girlfriends, each in a different country. The magazine now has Vino's contact list and will be tracking down the hotties.

 

[Eric8-A]

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[Teddy Boom]

The only way i can see Kolobnev selling LBL for just 100k is that he was tired and didnt believe in his chances anymore, so he basically offered his help for 100k and not the win.

Ya.. If it is true, a big if, it seems more likely that Vino paid Kolobnev to work hard and maintain the split. If Kolobnev didn't like his chances in a 5 way sprint, it would make sense to take some money and a guaranteed second place. Of course that makes a much less sensational headline.

I wonder if Hugo Koblet's bookie helped Vino with the payment

 

[ramjambunath]

This certainly won't do Vino's campaign to run for Parliament any good!

May not be the case, see Mohammad Azharuddin.

I won't take the report as the truth yet but has the UCI said anything with regards to this?

As for the question of whether a person is willing to miss his opportunity to etch his name in history for money- it's quite surprising what money can do to the some of the best in a sport (Hansie Cronje).

Joe_papp- If I'm not misunderstanding you, are you suggesting that the establishment is also aware of the "gentleman's agreements" in the sport.

20k Euros for the LBL winner seems low, no matter what leeway the winner has in future contract negotiations.

 

[Kvinto]

someone told that someone heard that someone wrote blah blah blah. the investigation will be held and 99.9% it'll lead to nothing because someone told that someone heard that someone wrote and it's hardly a proof.

the sad thing is that any rider can be accused in this way anytime. 99.9% it won't be proven but nevertheless it impresses upon the rider's reputation once and for all

 

[webvan]

The only way i can see Kolobnev selling LBL for just 100k is that he was tired and didnt believe in his chances anymore, so he basically offered his help for 100k and not the win.

Makes senses, unlike the Ullrich/Virenque arrival in Courchevel (?) in 1997 there are apparently no pictures of them "negotiating" though?

 

[craig1985]

More surely to come. I mean look at Vino. You know the guy's a playa. That dawg has to have five or six girlfriends, each in a different country. The magazine now has Vino's contact list and will be tracking down the hotties.

Vino lives in Monaco these days doesn't he? Shouldn't be a problem finding any of them there.

 

[python]

i suspected something long ago..

after watching the very race, a stray thought crossed my mind…i instantly committed it to this forum 18 months ago
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=193315&postcount=751

i suspect vino and kolobnev had agreed before the race to help each other.

only one member picked my hint

i don't know if they agreed on anything prior to the race... I mean they were both better off staying together till the finish.

or do you mean that they talked before the race to say where they would attack?

mine and bala’s 18 months old (providential ?) posts…. and now this story

 

[jens_attacks]

honestly i'm pretty afraid of what's next,especially michele connections.those sick journalists said more to come,i hope they will go to jail,vino has some good lawyers,you just can't break people's privacy to sell your junk papers

 

[hrotha]

So this is why Kolobnev doesn't win things!

 

[hrotha]

Imagine how filthy rich Marcato must be.

 

[just some guy]

The money trail is easy to follow if they want

Story 1 . Vino offers the money to a tired kolobnev during the last 5 Km´s - Kolobnev takes the cash. The money is tax free and will have been used by Kolobnev and his accounts will show this- Fraud for both tax evasion for kolobnev - both thrown out of the sport.

Story 2 . Vino lent Kolobnev the cash - it should have been paid back by now - check the accounts - it may not have been paid back of course but 100 k between mate is still a fair bit of cash to have not paid back after 1 1/2 years.

it just seems so weird for me that Vino leads cash to kolobnev the 2 days after L-B-L

To me Vino story sounds abit like Tylers twin or Landis got really drunk story- made up by Guilty not so smart people to cover a fraud