Vino Comeback Thread

[hrotha]

I hope he can build up his condition enough to simply finish the race. Anything else would be unreasonable (though not impossible, this being Vino we're talking about).

 

[bicing]

There's no way Vino was ending his career bailing out of the TdF mid-way because of an injury. This is Vino we're talking about.

He will come back at GdL, race the next year, and get the yellow jersey he was dreaming of. And win some crazy awesome races in the mean time, like MSR.

 

[RedheadDane]

This is awesome.

 

[thirteen]

happy dance!!!

 

[ingsve]

Vino doing an Armstrong to make sure Astana gets the benefit of his 200 points in the sporting value ranking perhaps...

 

[The Hitch]

Just read this thread on Cyclingtorrents.nl - http://cyclingtorrents.nl/forums.php?action=viewtopic&topicid=1521&page=last#20604

"He might participate in the Giro Lombardia...because he couldn't just quit like that he said"


Haven't found any links for this though.

edit: link - http://www.nieuwsblad.be/Article/Detail.aspx?articleid=DMF20110820_075

This rivals seeing Contador attack on Telegrape for pleasant shock of the year.

I laughed so hard when i read this.

No offense to Jens Voigt but he is beaten badly into second place for hard man of cycling.

Vino is a legend.

 

[cromagnon]

CALLED IT

On the day he announced he quit I though "b*ll*cks!"

Granted only thinking it does not provide sufficient evidence of having called it, as there is no way to verify the veracity of the claim.

I still called it though.

 

[Konfronto]

What a great news! Fingers crossed for you, Vino!!!
"The Kazakh steel can not be broken"!

 

[usedtobefast]

i hope he is The Vino! and not, the vino. good on him.

 

[Ferminal]

Vinooooooo!

 

[Sidbike]

They're wrapping pads around all trees in Lombardy...to protect the trees.

 

[ustabe]

They're wrapping pads around all trees in Lombardy...to protect the trees.

Whatever it takes. Go, Vino!

 

[hfer07]

Vino: toughest mudafuka on earth

 

[crapna]

Hell yeah! Vino is going to take Amstel-Fleche-Liege -triple next year.

 

[greenedge]

Great to maybe have him back at the Tour of Lombardie. I'm sure he will be ready for it.

 

[roundabout]

Not sure if posted here but there might be a more ugly reason behind the "comeback"

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110821_120335_astana-trahit-vinokourov.html

 

[jens_attacks]

well one of the thoughts coming into my mind when i've heard he's coming back so quickly was the kash's comeback at astana.i think the relation between them is still absolutely non-existant.in an interview,a week ago,vino said something like kash still has to prove and then be a leader,also he said let the legs talking not the mouth something like that.my guess is vino hates kash pretty bad.god knows that i like kash too but don't dare to mess with vino.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Not sure if posted here but there might be a more ugly reason behind the "comeback"

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme/breves2011/20110821_120335_astana-trahit-vinokourov.html

It seems that this latest news now means Astana are in breech of UCI regs:

http://inrng.com/2011/08/uci-astana-vinokourov/

It's all getting very political.

 

[hrotha]

It seems that this latest news now means Astana are in breech of UCI regs:

http://inrng.com/2011/08/uci-astana-vinokourov/

It's all getting very political.

You'd think the UCI would check this stuff before validating another licence. Will some no name rider be fired to make room for Vino, or will he be forced to quit after all? Either way, this shouldn't even be an issue. Kash's Astana licence should never have been approved unless they had legally got rid of another rider. If the bureaucrats are sloppy, it's their fault. If no one told Astana they couldn't do that when they were going through the legal motions of filing Kash's licence, they shouldn't be punished for it.

 

[screaming fist]

The maximum of riders depends on the number of neo pros in a team.

Riders
2.15.110 The number of riders in each UCI ProTeam may not be fewer than twenty-three (23).

The maximum number of riders per UCI ProTeam which may be registered with the UCI is restricted according to the number of new professionals under contract (within the meaning of article 7 of the joint agreement concluded between the CPA (Cyclistes Professionnels Associés - Associated Professional Cyclists) and the AIGCP (Association Internationale des Groupes Cyclistes Professionnels - International Association of Professional Cycling Teams) in the following manner:

Neo Pro - Rides max
0 -> 28
1 -> 29
2-5 -> 30

 

[Libertine Seguros]

You'd think the UCI would check this stuff before validating another licence. Will some no name rider be fired to make room for Vino, or will he be forced to quit after all? Either way, this shouldn't even be an issue. Kash's Astana licence should never have been approved unless they had legally got rid of another rider. If the bureaucrats are sloppy, it's their fault. If no one told Astana they couldn't do that when they were going through the legal motions of filing Kash's licence, they shouldn't be punished for it.

Officially, Vino had announced his retirement, so his contract was over.

Now that Vino is talking of coming back, Astana have too many active riders. The solutions I see: Consider Vino retired and off the roster until we know for definite he can come back. Then annul the contract of somebody on injured reserve temporarily - or ask somebody who's likely to retire at the end of the season anyway - I'm looking at Andrey Mizourov here - to announce it just a little early so they can reinstate Vino.

 

[hrotha]

Officially, Vino had announced his retirement, so his contract was over.

Now that Vino is talking of coming back, Astana have too many active riders. The solutions I see: Consider Vino retired and off the roster until we know for definite he can come back. Then annul the contract of somebody on injured reserve temporarily - or ask somebody who's likely to retire at the end of the season anyway - I'm looking at Andrey Mizourov here - to announce it just a little early so they can reinstate Vino.

I don't think saying you're retiring should be enough to invalidate a contract and therefore a licence. There should be some paperwork involved to sort things out. I also don't like the idea of swapping rider licences mid season as you see fit.

 

[python]

well one of the thoughts coming into my mind when i've heard he's coming back so quickly was the kash's comeback at astana.i think the relation between them is still absolutely non-existant.in an interview,a week ago,vino said something like kash still has to prove and then be a leader,also he said let the legs talking not the mouth something like that.my guess is vino hates kash pretty bad.god knows that i like kash too but don't dare to mess with vino.

to the bolded - yes !

the bizarre story has all the reflection of the power struggle within astana.

don't know about vino hating on kash, but it looks like a miscalculation (or a dangerous game) on the part of some team official.

vino in his own words said he's coming back to improve the nations selection spots for the coming olympics.

(edit - the appeal to the 'national patriotic 'theme' may be designed to woo his political supporters)

i very much doubt he would suddenly decide to 'come back' just for that reason alone...

 

[joe_papp]

Officially, Vino had announced his retirement, so his contract was over.

Now that Vino is talking of coming back, Astana have too many active riders. The solutions I see: Consider Vino retired and off the roster until we know for definite he can come back. Then annul the contract of somebody on injured reserve temporarily - or ask somebody who's likely to retire at the end of the season anyway - I'm looking at Andrey Mizourov here - to announce it just a little early so they can reinstate Vino.

While what you propose is reasonable, I still can't help feeling that Astana management should have to eat sh&t and welcome Vino back into the fold on bent knees.

Vino may have announced his retirement in via the media, but from the perspective of the anti-doping regime and UCI, a retirement is not official until it's communicated to them in writing - so maybe Vino didn't officially "retire" in their eyes. Of course, that would make it all the more egregious the fact that Astana was allowed to move forward in contracting Kash.

It was Vino himself who tipped-off the UCI to Kash's having blood doped, and his presence in Turkey on holiday, IIRC...

 

[python]

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It was Vino himself who tipped-off the UCI to Kash's having blood doped, and his presence in Turkey on holiday, IIRC...

do you have a public source for this info or is your recollection from 'other' sources ?