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A general question for everyone:wpsracing78 said:To quote a great man
"you're out of the circle of trust Focker"
once a cheater, always a potential cheater.
dimspace said:oh for crying out loud, it was a low level TT in a low level race.. and vino lost nearly 4min in the morning...
not everything has a back story...
It's cycling. Ofcourse you should be skeptical.craig1985 said:So he won the short TT in the Tour De L'Ain, am I not alone being skeptical about his win, or should I give him the benefit of the doubt. Just seeing what other people think.
BigBoat said:He'll blood dope with his own blood like he did before with Telekom, Liberty & Astana. He grew up in the Soviet sports system and raced for the Kazachstani national team as a kid. He was likely on epo way back then. You dont dope for 15+ years and suddenly decide to go clean. lol
If Vino had a clean comback attempt he'd be dropped like a rock on long climbs and he his TT times would be "slow" compared to the top 20 that is. Their all doped at the very top. Horner certainly is. You dont beat doped riders if your clean. Its impossible to beat a talented man who took a 'blood refill.'
They may be doped, but the races are still exciting. I'm only speaking for myself, ofcourse.auscyclefan94 said:Why do you follow the sport if all the top guys are "doped"?
Jonathan said:They may be doped, but the races are still exciting. I'm only speaking for myself, ofcourse.
I find doping wrong, too, but I like the races. As has been pointed out before, you still need a lot of talent and training - doping appears to be one of the conditions to win, not the deciding factor.auscyclefan94 said:So you like watching cheats race against each other? For me personally i find that wrong and hipocritical.
auscyclefan94 said:So you like watching cheats race against each other? For me personally i find that wrong and hipocritical.
auscyclefan94 said:So you like watching cheats race against each other? For me personally i find that wrong and hipocritical.
BigBoat said:He'll blood dope with his own blood like he did before with Telekom, Liberty & Astana. He grew up in the Soviet sports system and raced for the Kazachstani national team as a kid. He was likely on epo way back then. You dont dope for 15+ years and suddenly decide to go clean. lol
If Vino had a clean comback attempt he'd be dropped like a rock on long climbs and he his TT times would be "slow" compared to the top 20 that is. Their all doped at the very top. Horner certainly is. You dont beat doped riders if your clean. Its impossible to beat a talented man who took a 'blood refill.'
usedtobefast said:i say give him an 'ataboy. not bad as far as comeback riders go. he did his time.![]()
auscyclefan94 said:So you like watching cheats race against each other? For me personally i find that wrong and hipocritical.
sherer said:wasn't Vino caught for blood doping so surely he won't try that again although I always thought they didn't have a proper test for blood doping unless they caught you with the drip still connected to your arm.
luckyboy said:Why do you watch then?
He was homologous blood doping - using someone else's blood. Like Tyler Hamilton