Vuelta 2018 stage 13: Candás - La Camperona 174.8km

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

Why is everyone so confident the best climbers will win this? It's not a mountain, it's more of a hill

https://www.strava.com/segments/7128872

This is the strava link. You would expect the top 10 to go just under 13 minutes for the last 3km. A true sustained effort.

The climb proper is 30mins so they will be arriving at the last 3km in a not so steady state.

More like 18 minutes. Everything under 3% doesn't really do much damage if you're in the wheels

The interesting thing about this climb is that I think domestiques go so hard on the 6/7% bit that I'm not sure it's best for a GC contender who has to go all the way up to stay in the wheels

 

[Escarabajo]

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This is the first of three tough days, so I would not expect fireworks, unless Yates thinks he needs some more time on Quintana before Sunday.

The break might well get the win, if Pinot, Nibali or even LRP decides to test out their legs it could be fun viewing.

How can you avoid fireworks on that wall??

BTW, thanks for all the Vuelta threads!

 

[Escarabajo]

There is a good article on Velonews about who is the dark horse for this weekend or the rest of the Vuelta for that matter. So the picks are:

- Buchmann,
- Uran and
- Ion Izaguirre

Very interesting. 2 of those have not proven to be true GC contenders so it will be interesting to see how these three fare this weekend.

 

[Koronin]

Izagirre has only raced as leader for a GT what 1 time before this? (Not counting last year's Tour as he got hurt on the opening ITT).

 

[hammerthaim]

@Red Rick... I think the majority will be in the wheels with attacks no doubt coming on the earlier steeper sections.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

On Sunday (maybe even today's evening) we will hear:
"Vuelta GC? No, no, that wasn't his target! I read somewhere/heard/he said that Vuelta is only part of training for WC".

 

[bambino]

That climb is definite legbreaker and some GC guys will lose loads. Bad day here is going to cost dearly. It is 3,5km of hell so definitely not just a hill, but not pure climber show either. Yates as the favourite, expecting Uran going also well. Hell even Kwiatkowski might be strong here. Lopez losing precious seconds.

 

[Robert5091]

His Bertieness speaks
http://www.cyclingnews.com/features...ammy-summit-finishes-could-decide-gc-preview/

"So, OK, there's a climb beforehand, the [first category] Campo de Tarnas [105km into the 174km stage - ed.], but it won't do much. On the Camperona, though, you'll get gaps. Each rider can't help but cross the line one by one; the differences won’t be that big, but it’s so steep that the group splits apart almost of its own accord."

It's also very important to have the right gearing, because if you're missing the gear you need on such a steep climb, you simply can't continue pedalling upwards. So you have to measure your distance very carefully," Contador said.

Big question is how much time Aru loses ... :sad:

 

[Pantani_lives]

La Camperona the previous two times:

2014: Hesjedal wins from the break.

Final 2.9 K:

Froome 12:08
Rodríguez 12:09
Contador 12:15
Aru 12:17
Valverde 12:37
Martin 12:53
Urán 13:16
Kelderman 13:40

2016: Lagutin wins from the break.

Final 2.9 K:

Quintana 12:08
Contador 12:33
Pardilla 12:41
Froome 12:41
Valverde 12:41
S. Yates 12:55
Bennett 13:16

[Assuming the favorites were still together 2.9 K before the finish.]

 

[Robert5091]

Re: Re:

Why is everyone so confident the best climbers will win this? It's not a mountain, it's more of a hill

https://www.strava.com/segments/7128872

This is the strava link. You would expect the top 10 to go just under 13 minutes for the last 3km. A true sustained effort.

The climb proper is 30mins so they will be arriving at the last 3km in a not so steady state.

More like 18 minutes. Everything under 3% doesn't really do much damage if you're in the wheels

The interesting thing about this climb is that I think domestiques go so hard on the 6/7% bit that I'm not sure it's best for a GC contender who has to go all the way up to stay in the wheels

Yo-yoing by GC guys could well happen - but anyone wanting to gain time has to attack at the start, as attacking on 20% gradient must be neigh on impossible.

 

[Laplaz]

Curious to see how Buchmann will do on this super-steep stuff

 

[wirral]

Will Peter Sagan continue in this race. If he was to pull out, today might be the day.

 

[Robert5091]

Even Yates says he's also thinking of the Worlds! This is turning into a 3 week long training run - who really wants to win here?!
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/...y-vuelta-mountains-world-championships-393349

I arrived ready from day one to give it everything and here it’s very different, I have an eye on the World Championships also.”

Edit - interesting quote too

He reflected on the La Camperona climb that he rode in 2016. It ends the first of three mountain days coming up in the country’s north.

“It was very hard, much steeper than what it says in the book, but yeah, the climb is hard,” Yates added. “We’ll see how it goes. Maybe I’ll lose more time tomorrow.”

Yates planning to take it easy today on stage 13?

 

[Blanco]

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Showdown Stoneface against the Brit Purito on La Camperona. Who will live to tell the story? Don Alejandro, Lopez or the thin white Dutch muchacho?

Or Colombian Mick Jagger

 

[Blanco]

Re: Re:

Why is everyone so confident the best climbers will win this? It's not a mountain, it's more of a hill

https://www.strava.com/segments/7128872

This is the strava link. You would expect the top 10 to go just under 13 minutes for the last 3km. A true sustained effort.

The climb proper is 30mins so they will be arriving at the last 3km in a not so steady state.

More like 18 minutes. Everything under 3% doesn't really do much damage if you're in the wheels

The interesting thing about this climb is that I think domestiques go so hard on the 6/7% bit that I'm not sure it's best for a GC contender who has to go all the way up to stay in the wheels

Yo-yoing by GC guys could well happen - but anyone wanting to gain time has to attack at the start, as attacking on 20% gradient must be neigh on impossible.

That would be road to nowhere! You need to measure your effort very, very carefully on this climb. Just look at 2014 climb, Valverde went too early, Contador and Purito followed, and Froome ended up ahead of them, despite being probably slightly weaker at that point of the race.

The best way is to measure your effort until 1,5-1 km to go, and then if you got something in the tank, full gas to the line

 

[Joomla10]

It' could be a good day for Movistar.
Curious too see did, and how will Cofidis defend red shirt today.

 

[rick james]

this one is a brute, a day for a 32 rear cassette

 

[Lequack]

Lotto Jumbo should let Sep Kuss go and win the stage.

 

[Gigs_98]

Re:

La Camperona the previous two times:

2014: Hesjedal wins from the break.

Final 2.9 K:

Froome 12:08
Rodríguez 12:09
Contador 12:15
Aru 12:17
Valverde 12:37
Martin 12:53
Urán 13:16
Kelderman 13:40

2016: Lagutin wins from the break.

Final 2.9 K:

Quintana 12:08
Contador 12:33
Pardilla 12:41
Froome 12:41
Valverde 12:41
S. Yates 12:55
Bennett 13:16

It's funny how those two races went the complete opposite way for Froome. 2014 was the first time I remember seeing a yo yo Froome who dropped right at the start of the climb and ended up being the fastest of the gc contenders. Meanwhile 2016 was the only time I can remember Froome blowing himself up trying to follow an attack so even Contador who was previously dropped and was usually infamously bad at pacing himself caught and dropped him.

 

[tobydawq]

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On Sunday (maybe even today's evening) we will hear:
"Vuelta GC? No, no, that wasn't his target! I read somewhere/heard/he said that Vuelta is only part of training for WC".

Regarding Kwiatkowski?

 

[Laplaz]

Who is gonna control this? Cofidis? Don't think so. Movi? Maybe.
Like so many times in this Vuelta i'm going with the break. Bauke vs. Porte vs. Benoot.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Re: Re:

On Sunday (maybe even today's evening) we will hear:
"Vuelta GC? No, no, that wasn't his target! I read somewhere/heard/he said that Vuelta is only part of training for WC".

Regarding Kwiatkowski?

But of course.

 

[King Boonen]

Re:

this one is a brute, a day for a 32 rear cassette

42/23 and learn to push

 

[Robert5091]

Re: Re:

Why is everyone so confident the best climbers will win this? It's not a mountain, it's more of a hill

https://www.strava.com/segments/7128872

This is the strava link. You would expect the top 10 to go just under 13 minutes for the last 3km. A true sustained effort.

The climb proper is 30mins so they will be arriving at the last 3km in a not so steady state.

More like 18 minutes. Everything under 3% doesn't really do much damage if you're in the wheels

The interesting thing about this climb is that I think domestiques go so hard on the 6/7% bit that I'm not sure it's best for a GC contender who has to go all the way up to stay in the wheels

Yo-yoing by GC guys could well happen - but anyone wanting to gain time has to attack at the start, as attacking on 20% gradient must be neigh on impossible.

That would be road to nowhere! You need to measure your effort very, very carefully on this climb. Just look at 2014 climb, Valverde went too early, Contador and Purito followed, and Froome ended up ahead of them, despite being probably slightly weaker at that point of the race.

The best way is to measure your effort until 1,5-1 km to go, and then if you got something in the tank, full gas to the line

When it drops to only 15% gradient!

 

[Lequack]

Re: Re:

this one is a brute, a day for a 32 rear cassette

42/23 and learn to push

Just grind it out like these guys. Eddy Merckx The Greatest Show on Earth 1974 Giro:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCEKPR7vxjk