Vuelta a España Stage 15: Avilés - Anglirú 144km

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How to predict the unpredictable? Two things I didn’t think I’d type. First, I don’t think this stage will decide the Vuelta. Second, I think we’ll get somebody attack on the penultimate climb like today even though that is clearly insane. Nibali and Menchov maybe who are least likely to be satisfied with their current position? Can Moreno try three days running? Will Sastre again remain utterly anonymous during what could be his swansong? They could all be considered far enough back now for Wiggins to let them run on that penultimate climb (how tough is it, what is the descent like?)

Angliru looks mad – I’m not sure I can even picture 23%. I was very much in the “Wiggins will go pop” camp when the GC was so close - I figured he'd gamble into going deep into the red if he was facing dropping off the podium. But after today he’s given himself a little buffer again, so I think he can afford to just pace himself to the top, limit his losses and cling on to the hope that he’ll be close enough to fire a counter attack in the final week on a slightly less crazy mountain top finish.

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I’ve resigned myself to the fact Van den Broeck (who I had in mind for this stage) is either not in the physical condition, or mentally willing to launch an all out attack. What the heck was that he did today? Jump onto the wheels of someone going after Cobo, sit about 2 metres infront of the peloton for 10 seconds and then veer wildly like a drunkard into Froome’s path and almost push him off the road! He’s done that sort of half hearted prod on the last few mountain stages instead of saving his effort, picking his spot and having one great push. I fear I’ve overestimated him (though I won’t be hard on him, its amazing he is even here after his crash).

Mollema is saying he wasn’t feeling so good today (although it could be mind games) and it doesn’t look like a stage where his team could help him (even if they hadn’t all seemed to have hit the wall). I think Mollema will just stay glued to Wiggins and if he is feeling good, try something in that last 3kms. The later the better for Mollema, particularly if there are time bonuses available.

You can let Rodriguez go off on his own now as he is so far back, so I’m tempted to go for him despite his lack of form. However, I can’t see past Cobo after his great form in the time trial (just 1min 40 off Wiggins, & 40secs off Nibali) and then todays events.

Prediction Score: 1 out of 14 :)
 
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I'm beside myself.

I had £40 each-way on Cobo at 150/1 with Paddy Power before the race started and followed it up with another £11 each-way with Boyles at 125/1 after stage 3.

If anyone wants Cobo to win.....I do!!
 
Nieve will win this stage, that's all I know.. Before the race started, I would have said Wiggins would lose five minutes at least, but now I really don't know what will happen. Strange race, this. Kessiakoff, Mollema, Froome? They might leave Nibali for dead once and for all, or they might crack big time and lose ten minutes. I'm perplexed.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
and so attacking is possible!

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I very much doubt it was possible in the last 3km of this stage...

Cobo got away just before Wiggins and Froome went to the front (watching it again it now looks like they react to Cobo's attack after they realise what's on) once they had gone to the front and put the power on, noone in this race was doing any attacking.

Cobo will be on a much shorter leash tomorrow, assuming Geox havent done the same as Leaky/Katusha and cooked their own main GC guy beforehand.

It may be he can gap them and keep away, but I cannot see him putting minutes into them, unless they crack totally, and they have sown very little sign of panicking so far.
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Cobo: "I will try to attack tomorrow, but today already cost a lot of energy. Besides, I know the Angliru is not my climb, I will try but it will be very hard"

So Cobo writing himself off for tomorrow?

He is being realistic. I really doubt anyone will take off Heras/Contador style tomorrow.
 
killswitch said:
Wish Tondo :)() and Mosquera were here. Xavi could have won this Vuelta and Eze would have made the MTFs exciting with his crazy attacks.

Yes, it's also a pity that Anton isn't in shape, and that Contador or S Sanchez isn't there. The biggest danger for Wiggins seems to come from Cobo and Mollema now.
 
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roundabout said:
He is being realistic. I really doubt anyone will take off Heras/Contador style tomorrow.

Agreed.

Cobo today showed us that he's the best climber in the field. There'll be big time losses tomorrow, and if he can put a dent into those ahead of him on the GC, then he has every chance to win the Vuelta.

Sastre and Menchov could be pivotal to the stage. I'm happy to have them on my side rather than what the other teams offer.

Menchov looked good today.
 
Pantani_lives said:
We've got a great climb; the only thing we miss is a great climber.

I think that's true. No Pantanis for sure. Anton is half dead, Rodriguez so so. Cobo is good, but not one to dominate Angliru, I think. Wiggins and Nibali neither. Kessiakoff, Mollema, Martin etc are going good so far, but Angliru is something else. Might it be that this stage will be a matter of limiting damage, and for spectators somewhat disappointing? My hopes are with Nieve.
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Scrap Kessiakoff, he went bad today, didn't you notice? Came in just ahead of Nibali/Rodriguez

No joke: I didn't notice. Assumed he was with the wiggins group. Guess I was preoccupied being annoyed with nibali.
 
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Cobo: "I will try to attack tomorrow, but today already cost a lot of energy. Besides, I know the Angliru is not my climb, I will try but it will be very hard"

So Cobo writing himself off for tomorrow?

I think he's trying to get other people to write him off so he's given some leeway again. That's not going to happen though.
 
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Pantani_lives said:
We've got a great climb; the only thing we miss is a great climber.

What a moronic post.

If you know anything about JJ Cobo, he gifted the stage to Piepoli back in 2008 when the Sunier Duval went 1st and 2nd on the climb to the Hautocam.

He could have won that stage (it I wish he had) and he is a 'great' climber.

YMMV
 
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Lets be honest, all the great climbers have been shelled out the back on any climb longer than 2 kilometres. I wonder if the likes of Rodriguez and Nieve will even be there when the really steep stuff kicks in.
 
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My prediction for this stage is the Sky duo grinding up the mountain with Mollema and Menchov following. Cobo gets dropped halfway and loses more than he won today. Mollema sprints away in the final meters to win the stage and gets the bonus seconds. Menchov ends second shortly behind, smashing his bike because he mistimed his jump. VDB2 takes 3rd out of nowhere just before an angry Wiggins, who keeps red by 1 second. The rest is nowhere to be found.
 
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Angrilu is next! Awesome!

And we've already had a lot of fireworks come GC already. The movement on today's stage

1 WIGGINS, Bradley SKY 55h 54' 45'' (=)
2 FROOME, Christopher SKY + 7'' (+1)
3 MOLLEMA, Bauke RAB + 36'' (+3)
4 COBO, Juan José GEO + 55'' (+4)
5 FUGLSANG, Jakob LEO + 58'' (=)
6 KESSIAKOFF, Fredrik AST + 1' 23'' (-2)
7 NIBALI, Vincenzo LIQ + 1' 25'' (-5)
8 MONFORT, Maxime LEO + 1' 37'' (-1)
9 VAN DEN BROECK, Jurgen OLO + 2' 16'' (+3)
10 MORENO, Daniel KAT + 2' 24'' (-1)
11 MENCHOV, Denis GEO + 2' 56'' (+6)
12 SÖRENSEN, Chris SBS + 3' 11'' (+1)
13 NIEVE, Mikel EUS + 3' 23'' (+7)
14 PARDILLA, Sergio MOV + 3' 30'' (+5)
15 ROCHE, Nicolas ALM + 3' 32'' (-2)
16 SEELDRAYERS, Kevin QST + 3' 43'' (=)
17 POELS, Wouter VCD + 4' 12'' (+5)
18 RODRIGUEZ, Joaquin KAT + 4' 17'' (=)
19 BRUSEGHIN, Marzio MOV + 4' 40'' (+4)
20 BRAJKOVIC, Janez RSH + 5' 19'' (-9)
21 MARTIN, Daniel GRM + 5' 36'' (+2)
22 SASTRE, Carlos GEO + 6' 50'' (+3)
23 LAGUTIN, Sergey VCD + 6' 50'' (+4)
30 ZUBELDIA, Haimar RSH + 21' 41'' (-20)

JRod for the win though maybe even Nieve he's looking strong as well and it may suit him. Anton as well I guess. Cobo another chance for the win apart from them, who knows? Buake and Bradley battling it out, who would have guessed at the start of the Vuelta :D
 
Today's climb was different. It was a high-speed medium gradient climb. Tomorrow is very steep and favors a climber like Rodriguez or Nibali, who performed admirably on the last climb last year.

Wiggins is riding very well though, though I would be surprised if he were still in red tomorrow. Froome is spectacular.
 
Sergey® said:
What a moronic post.

If you know anything about JJ Cobo, he gifted the stage to Piepoli back in 2008 when the Sunier Duval went 1st and 2nd on the climb to the Hautocam.

He could have won that stage (it I wish he had) and he is a 'great' climber.

YMMV

A matter of definition, of course. In my opinion, today, Cobo is a decent climber, not great. Even with the help of De La Fuente, he failed to catch Taaramae, who had been away for a long time. In the end he beat Wiggins by twenty seconds, Poels by fifteen. A GREAT climber might have done more than that.
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
I've rewatched the last 3km a few times now.

Cobo lost 10 seconds in the final km to Wiggins/Froome (and 15 seconds to Poels). So indeed, he can't sustain the effort.
Lol, he'd been on the attack for a few kms, no surprise that he lost a little at the end. He was still the best climber on the day, by a healthy margin.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Cobo: "I will try to attack tomorrow, but today already cost a lot of energy. Besides, I know the Angliru is not my climb, I will try but it will be very hard"

So Cobo writing himself off for tomorrow?

No. He is playing mind games on Wiggins.
 
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Sergey® said:
What a moronic post.

If you know anything about JJ Cobo, he gifted the stage to Piepoli back in 2008 when the Sunier Duval went 1st and 2nd on the climb to the Hautocam.

He could have won that stage (it I wish he had) and he is a 'great' climber.

YMMV

He was dead on top of Hautacam after being dragged up it by Piepoli.