Vuelta a España - Stage 15 Solares - Lagos de Covadonga 187.3km

[dgodave]

Question:
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When I ride, I'm not really climbing well until I've got a few big hills already done. But then I dont do a 155k warmup either. Does it matter to any of these guys that there's only one big climb?
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[The Hitch]

This is not a Vuelta where contenders go hand in hand looking at each other waiting forever till someone attacks.
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In other words. This isnt the tour.

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I see a few posters dismissing Purito for this one after his performance in Andorra and describing him as a 'mountain sprinter'. He says he made a mistake then and he has proved it with his comeback in Peña Cabarga. He was 3rd in the Tourmalet stage, not a climb for a 'mountain sprinter'. How long he can sustain his form is the unknown, but after the withdrawal of Antón, he and Mosquera are probably the best in the race for this kind of long climbs with sustained steep gradients. Nibali needs to learn how to use his brain for climbing with them[/quote]
But what if today, the ds sits nibali down and says

"Listen Don Vinchenzo. Dont attack on the climb. I will be on the radio. Listen to me when i talk. If a lone individual goes on the attack early, dont follow him you Stunnade. Just pace yourself up the climb with the others."

and Nibali takes the climb his own way and finishes with the pack. Id say its more of a problem for someone if they dont have the ability to climb, rather than if they do and simply dont know how to pace themselves. The latter can be fixed.

 

[The Hitch]

Question:
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When I ride, I'm not really climbing well until I've got a few big hills already done. But then I dont do a 155k warmup either. Does it matter to any of these guys that there's only one big climb?
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I remember we had a conversation about this when comparing Basso up the ZOnc to Simeoni piepoli. Gibo did the zonc in 07 on a stage where it was the 1 climb. Basso did it in 10 on a stage where there were multiple. At the end the times were the same or similar i think. Same with Alp d huez. The times measured dont factor in whether it was the end of a 5 hc stage, or a 10 k time trial. They are usually similar.

If you think about it, the speed for a half marathon is almost identical to the speed for a full marathon. So i dont think it matters too much, especially if the earlier climbs arent raced up. They will go up the climbs with similar pace.

 

[dgodave]

I remember we had a conversation about this when comparing Basso up the ZOnc to Simeoni piepoli. Gibo did the zonc in 07 on a stage where it was the 1 climb. Basso did it in 10 on a stage where there were multiple. At the end the times were the same or similar i think. Same with Alp d huez. The times measured dont factor in whether it was the end of a 5 hc stage, or a 10 k time trial. They are usually similar.

If you think about it, the speed for a half marathon is almost identical to the speed for a full marathon. So i dont think it matters too much, especially if the earlier climbs arent raced up. They will go up the climbs with similar pace.

Makes sense, now that youve thrown up some results.
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Maybe all the pros know how to warm up just right... or a long flat run-up does the trick. But for me, I climb better - relative to other climbers - after A LOT of climbing already done.
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[Liquigas]

It's now or never for Mosquera, hope he gets it and gains some time in the GC. I hope Tondo can gain half a minute or more on Nibali.

 

[icefire]

In other words. This isnt the tour.

I recall a few climbs to Covadonga that were as dull as a Tour stage.

But what if today, the ds sits nibali down and says

"Listen Don Vinchenzo. Dont attack on the climb. I will be on the radio. Listen to me when i talk. If a lone individual goes on the attack early, dont follow him you Stunnade. Just pace yourself up the climb with the others."

and Nibali takes the climb his own way and finishes with the pack. Id say its more of a problem for someone if they dont have the ability to climb, rather than if they do and simply dont know how to pace themselves. The latter can be fixed.

I think Nibali has the ability to climb. The Giro stages through Monte Grappa and Mortirolo proved it (he lost time in Monte Zoncolan after the exhibition the day before). He just doesn't know how to pace himself. It can be fixed, but it needs training if he doesn't have someone doing that next to him. Race radio from the distance is of little help in this so I guess we'll see him doing the same 3 more times.

 

[hfer07]

Lagos is an Iconic stage and I hope "Eze" prints his name in this Vuelta's edition

 

[The Hitch]

Lagos is an Iconic stage and I hope "Eze" prints his name in this Vuelta's edition

+ 1 google.

Day at a time thoug i suppose. First he needs the stage win. Even if he doesnt win the whole thing hopefully he will give us something to cheer about tomorow.

 

[turtlesoup]

break will make it, Liquigas wont chase b/c nibali wouldnt take top honors. Leaving him with kreuzinger to help him on the final climb and he stays in red.

 

[Scirea]

Uran crashed today with Anton and Bruseghin or not?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Mixed messages indeed. But I heard he went to the hospital to check for broken bones... so I guess so.

He didn't break anything though, just bruises.

 

[auscyclefan94]

spanish guys will unite and will blast nibali's asss.

1.Mosquera
2.Rodriguez
3.Plaza
4.Tondo
5.Nibali

if they don't,nibali has a gt win.

Die Spanier sind böse aber Mosquera wird gewinnt.

 

[blaxland]

Breakaway will win todays stage and if caught 1st=Mosquera
2nd=Rodriguez
3rd=Nibali
4th=Schleck
5th=Roche
Would like to see N.Roche win this stage but the main contenders wont let him get away...

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Make or break day for Schleck. This is the day he either establishes himself as a podium contender or he's out of it. I'd guess the latter.

 

[Sasquatch]

Schleck's day is tomorrow. These guys have been fighting hard early on in the tour. 3 huge mountains tomorrow is Schleck's and Mosquera's time to shine.

Anyway tonight.

1. Mosquera
2. Rodriguez
3. Nibali
4. Tondo
5. Roche

 

[craig1985]

Die Spanier sind böse aber Mosquera wird gewinnt.

Libertine Seguros to respond in 5..4..3

Actually I'm going to go way left field and tip Moncoutie to succeed and more or less wrap up the KOM.

 

[markene2]

Honesetly i dont think Mosquera can gain much time today. He might win the stage with a gap of 10 seconds. I hope i am wrong though.

And it will be intereseting to see if Kasch can climb up to a top 20GC today.

 

[togo95]

P. Velits

Hope Velits can stay at front. He has a good form theese days.

 

[Sophistic]

Mosqueras perfomances on moderate climbs have always been better than on super steep ramps, he did well on climbs that average ~6% (without a rollercoaster profile) like Sierra Nevada, Alitifique, Andorra, Estación de esquí Cerler, Fuentes de I., while his performances on the 10% climbs whether short (Xorret del Carti) or long(Angliru, Lagos de C., Alto de Monachil) havent been as impressive.
Mosquera simply isnt as light as Rodriguez or Anton.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Die Spanier sind böse aber Mosquera wird gewinnt.

What are you trying to say here? "The Spaniards are evil, but Mosquera will win" is what I think you're saying, in which case, you don't need to conjugate both verbs, only the auxiliary (which you've done correctly with 'wird'). Hence, "Mosquera wird gewinnen", though "Mosquera wird siegen" would be better imo.

 

[Christomir]

What are you trying to say here? "The Spaniards are evil, but Mosquera will win" is what I think you're saying, in which case, you don't need to conjugate both verbs, only the auxiliary (which you've done correctly with 'wird'). Hence, "Mosquera wird gewinnen", though "Mosquera wird siegen" would be better imo.

LOL! Always nice to have a lesson in German.

 

[craig1985]

What are you trying to say here? "The Spaniards are evil, but Mosquera will win" is what I think you're saying, in which case, you don't need to conjugate both verbs, only the auxiliary (which you've done correctly with 'wird'). Hence, "Mosquera wird gewinnen", though "Mosquera wird siegen" would be better imo.

Sorry, but I find it hilarious when you scold ACF for butchering the German language.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Sorry, but I find it hilarious when you scold ACF for butchering the German language.

His German's no worse than his English.

 

[theyoungest]

His German's no worse than his English.

I think he wants to prove that not all Anglophones don't speak a single word of foreignish. What exactly is the language he's trying to demonstrate his knowledge of remains the question. Baby German, maybe.

 

[Frosty]

Bruseghin starts today despite his fall yesterday.