But what do you think would happen if Soler/Valverde and Lopez with his men started attacking simultaneously, after he was left isolated?
Nothing would happen. He'd just keep closing gaps and following wheels until his teammates were back. And this scenario is already based on some unhinged fantasy scenario where teams forego their own ambitions in order to work for some other. Cycling is a race of all against all. It's not a race of all against the leader. Anyway, it wouldn't even work. The belief MAL and Valverde were capable of creating gaps to Roglic on that sort of terrain (let alone with a strong tailwind) isn't reality based (absent Roglic having some sort of collapse). That's just not how road cycling works.
Well if Poga worked, surely Lopez would have needed to work as well. If Astana stopped, I think only Rogla would have worked in front and that would have been GG from that point on after dropping his domestiques on the climb. Sure, would have been a big gamble for Astana and it would have looked weird when they were 5, but after a while they could maybe have attacked him along with Poga and Valv/Soler. There were many opportunities, but sadly they played it very conservative. Which I understand to some degree, but it would just have been a much, much more interesting stage this way around. That could have put the Vuelta in completely jeopardy and if they somehow cracked Roglic, who knows. We will never know because they took this approach and as I said before, acted as usefull fools and 100% dedicated helpers for Roglic. Unfortunately...
The point is the following. If Astana stopped working, even though Quintana is no danger to anyone, He could have been in red by far today unless Roglic and Pogacar worked real hard together. Otherwise Quintana walks to the red Jersey. The worse that would have happened is the same but with a completely worn out Roglic and Pogacar. There is no way in the universe that Roglic and Pogacar alone would have been any challenge to DCQ/MOVI/Sunweb working together at the front.
Okay, the number of comments positing this nonsense is aggravating.
First, why on earth would Astana not pull? Are they riding for Movistar? How exactly would MAL benefit from having Quintana gaining even more time on him? He'd have made it even more difficult to podium.
Second, and more importantly, why on earth would Roglic (and Pogacar, for whatever reason) put his chest on the wind? Roglic chasing? How do people even get these ideas? I can't even understand the rationale. Why on earth would Roglic (or Pogacar, or Valverde, or MAL for that matter) get in front on a situation like that - I guess except for a few kms and conservatively?
Roglic would just sit on and wait for his teammates to get back. When Movistar stopped their pull, there were like 3 Rabbobanks within 2 minutes. Gesink was less than 1 minute away. There was still Polanski in the group too. Why are people talking about as if those guys were eliminated or something? That's not how road cycling works. They're still there in the road. Why would Roglic start a hopeless chase 50kms to go when he had like 4 teammates a couple of minutes away?
Here's what happened if, for some bizarre reason, Astana hadn't pulled: you'd have Gesink, Powless, Kuss, Drucker, Marcato and I think I'm forgetting someone else joining the chasing group. Molano would be ordered to drop down if necessary. Maybe Quintana would have gained a bit more ground, but not nearly enough to get within a minute of the red. But probably enough to fend off MAL for the rest of the race. So MAL's chances to podium would take a severe hit...for what? For the sake of Quintana?
Even if Astana had stopped pulling in the last 10kms when Rabbo doms had stopped pulling, then Roglic/Majka/Pogaçar/Polanski would pace themselves those last few kms without much problem. They'd give away 30 seconds or so to Quintana. That would be it. But so would MAL. And why on earth would he want that? I don't get it. People are talking about this as if Movistar and Astana are twin teams or something.
Movistar tactic was excellent. They were looking for Astana/Rabbo/UAE to panic like Astana did in the Albi stage of the Tour, when Lutsenko idiotically shed everyone from the favourites group and they ended up losing almost 2 minutes when they were 15 seconds away. In hindsight, it didn't work because Astana domestiques were strong enough to not be dropped. It was worth the effort, it still benefited Quintana - if they had allowed Jumbo/Astana/UAE/Bora to work together after that climb with the wind on their back, I doubt the gap for the breakaway would have been larger than 3 minutes.
Movistar did what they had to do; Astana did what they had to do. There was no tactical blunder whatsoever. Roglic would have never committed suicide by chasing a 20 men breakaway for 40kms by himself. Astana could have waited a bit for the Rabbo/UAE/Bora doms and then work together; or do what they did. IMO, they did the right thing - they had enough legs to do the work by themselves + Polansky.
This thread has given me brain cancer.
I guess this forum's reputation is well deserved.