Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2020: Stage 17 (Sequeros > Alto de la Covatilla , 178.2 km)

[SafeBet]

Ian Garrison put up a hell of a fight today. He was alone with 80 km to go, 18 minutes behind the leaders, but managed to finish inside the time limit.

 

[Forever The Best]

Ian Garrison put up a hell of a fight today. He was alone with 80 km to go, 18 minutes behind the leaders, but managed to finish inside the time limit.

He finished 50 minutes behind apparently. How big was the time limit?

 

[Carols]

I like the optimism, Carols, but a Tour runner-up has just secured his back to back Vuelta win, he seems to like and is within reach to win both races.

And I Hope he gets his Tour Win, lord it looked as if he'd do it this year!

 

[hfer07]

What a thrilling finale - I actually set my watch to count the seconds when Carapaz crossed the line
Roglic - you truly have managed to make us suffer during this season Luckily for him, there where no MTF stages left, otherwise could have won it easily........

 

[topcat]

Prime Purito with a good TT and his own Skytrain.

A luckier version of Geraint Thomas with less stamina and without a tdf win

 

[Blanco]

Yeah. My basic rule of thumb is that the Tour winner had the best season unless someone else either wins 2 or more of the 9 tier one races or wins one of those races and an absolute ton of tier two races. This year Roglic and WVA both did enough to overcome the presumption in favour of the Tour winner and Roglic had the slight edge on WVA.

What's WVA 2nd tier one win?

 

[tobydawq]

How is that relevant? You think i'm British?
I'm not asking Roglic to speak Dutch, so i don't know why you would ask me how my Slovenian is.
It's also not about him not knowing the words, his English is more than enough, it's the monotonous way in which he speaks, cut up by errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr after every word.


It's not about a language barrier imho. Plenty of people speak like that in their native language as well and it doesn't become any less irritating. And i'm not making fun of it, i'm simply saying it's annoying as hell.

Pogacar speaks in exactly the same way so maybe it does have something to do with being Slovenian.

 

[roundabout]

He finished 50 minutes behind apprently. How big was the time limit?

53 minutes it seems

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

What's WVA 2nd tier one win?

as tobydawg already established in the other thread, I’ve been confusing his strade win with one of his second places!

 

[Blanco]

Time bonuses impact the race result, which I'm fine with. Time bonuses do not change the physics. Fast is a physics term.

But do you think some riders would ride differently then, if there was no time bonuses? For example Roglic...

 

[Blanco]

as tobydawg already established in the other thread, I’ve been confusing his strade win with one of his second places!

But Strade is not tier one, no?

 

[Red Rick]

What's WVA 2nd tier one win?

Strade Bianche.

 

[Blanco]

Strade Bianche.

It's not the big one...

 

[Lequack]

What a finale today, in the end it delivered and it shows you don't need an Angliru type climb to make differences. We got our head to head battle, the only thing is the feeling of what if it was a longer climb, or they had attacked sooner.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

But Strade is not tier one, no?

Exactly, that’s why I say was confusing it with one of his seconds!

 

[Red Rick]

What a finale today, in the end it delivered and it shows you don't need an Angliru type climb to make differences. We got our head to head battle, the only thing is the feeling of what if it was a longer climb, or they had attacked sooner.

Roglic saved by copying Pogacar's helmet hair

 

[Lequack]

Photo of the day

 

[yaco]

I wonder what happened to Woods today?

If he was as strong as on previous MTFs, he could set the higher pace to prepare for Carthy's attack and there could have been bigger gaps on the last mountain.

As I posted a few days ago he wasted energy going in a breakaway instead of supporting Carthy.

 

[Lequack]

26 Big Photos from Stage 17 (more to come) — aso/corvos
http://www.steephill.tv/2020/vuelta-a-espana/photos/stage-17/

http://www.steephill.tv/2020/vuelta-a-espana/photos/stage-17/

 

[johnymax]

Wonder what Roglic could've done in the Tour and in this Vuelta with his Giro team.

Truth is the style of racing can vary a lot depending on many factors. For Roglič, he's been the biggest favourite (or co-favourite) and the reference point in the last 4 GTs he's entered and only confirmed that with strong showings in the first week of each of those GTs. In my opinion you almost cannot win a GT if you find yourself in this kind of situation and you have a poor team. You have to be head and shoulders above the rest and even then, if opponents with stronger teams attack you on different fronts, it's very likely you won't succeed. One example, where this happened and the rider was able to win despite not having the best team, was Contador in the Giro 2015 . And even then he was helped by the fact that Astana probably chose the wrong guy to ride for until it was to late.

It's different when you are a slight underdog. You can follow the stronger team of a pre-race leader. Lose a little time here and there, then gain a little time. You are still there in striking distance but all the opponents still have the pre-race favourite and his team as reference and ride accordingly. I this situation you can afford to have and win even with a bad (not that strong) team. An example is Pogačar in the most recent Tour.

It helps a lot (the slight underdog) when the strongest team (Jumbo Visma) use their strength mostly to defend and doesn't try to put their main opponents in difficult situations. But I think the defensive strategy was right for the Vuelta, while I don't think it was the right choice for the Tour. Of course in hindsight is always easier to be clever.

 

[Blanco]

As I posted a few days ago he wasted energy going in a breakaway instead of supporting Carthy.

So Koronin was right all the time then..

 

[ice&fire]

But do you think some riders would ride differently then, if there was no time bonuses? For example Roglic...

I don't know. I have a hard time thinking of Roglic attacking earlier or more often to gain more 'real' time on his opponents in the absence of time bonuses. He has just made the best of his abilities, his consistency and team support given the circumstances. But maybe I can't get the conservatism of his team tactics and the comparison to Valverde out of my mind. And we wouldn't be having this discussion if he knew how to put on a rain jacket.

 

[RedheadDane]

I wonder what happened to Woods today?

If he was as strong as on previous MTFs, he could set the higher pace to prepare for Carthy's attack and there could have been bigger gaps on the last mountain.

Puncture.

 

[Bolder]

Bradburying his way to victory should not be the difference.

yes, he won and a win is a win, but there should be more to it than just the final result

I hear you, but he made the final selection.
Honestly the top 4 this year were all great, but Roglic has the edge.

 

[Biomiha]

Dutch fans salty Dumo wasn't in his place. Totally Roglic's fault btw, as usual. It has to be, no other way.

That explains the crass comments. 'nough said,