Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 15: Pamplona - Lekunberri, 158.3k

[wheresmybrakes]

What race did you watch. The GC riders had another day off. After the first hour the JV trio were breathing through their noses.

Let them have their fun. It's hilarious the stuff that's posted at times. No wonder there are so called "haters" around.

 

[topcat]

I suspect he’s joking. Either way, it’s hilarious. Remco has been very impressive the last two days, though.

 

[Carols]

There is a race every day come Tuesday. Embrace the stage winners!

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Libertine I see what you are saying but I don't believe in " easy minutes " in a GT against pros where a win is everything at these caliber of event.

So is it your contention that (for example) Herrada's form on Wednesday was such that the GC guys were simply incapable of finishing any closer to him than nearly 6 minutes adrift?

Do you believe that Evenepoel was incapable of getting within 5 minutes of Uran in stage 17 last year?

Of course 'easy minutes' are given to those who are not a GC threat: it is difficult to imagine anyone who has watched cycling for more than a couple of weeks doubting that.

 

[KOM]

Only skimmed but am I seeing this correctly? Remco blew up on stage 13 has an impressive win on stage 14 and gets dropped by breakaway riders today and the conclusion is this is atleast the best if not a better performance than landis and therefor jumbo is now afraid they cant control him?

 

[Red Rick]

Only skimmed but am I seeing this correctly? Remco blew up on stage 13 has an impressive win on stage 14 and gets dropped by breakaway riders today and the conclusion is this is atleast the best if not a better performance than landis and therefor jumbo is now afraid they cant control him?

Jumbo is just being careful. They don't want Evenepoel to gain minutes in breakaway every day. They realise he's probably the single best rider at getting in breakaways because he's the best rouleur in the world, and you don't want Evenepoel suddenly at only 5 minutes and have to put a fire out when he goes into a 30 man breakaway you can't control.

 

[saunaking]

I read a bunch of stuff overnight, one article by a woman who concludes that life for Jumbo and everyone else is boring because the 3 musketeers have everything wrapped up and they own the Vuelta. Which I found ridiculous, Jumbo and Kuss very very vulnerable in my opinion. Was absolutely blown away by an article written by Kieran Wood for Cycling Up To Date..this guy lives in a different reality and pays no attention to the way Remco acts, talks or races. The article basically says that he was dealt a death blow when he popped early and lost @25 minutes. For another rider I would agree, this time it's a silly conclusion that Remco ,his lungs and legs are toasted. The guy has taken back @12+ minutes in 2 days, stage win and all with hills. Absolutely incredible, extraordinary. The other thing I read in Olympics. com about Kuss again more garbage, Sepp Kuss is brand new to being the leader, newer still at defending a leaders jersey in a gran tour. I really don't see what people are talking about when they say that this is over. Top 10 is all within @8:30 and Remco can take that back, alone, attacking the peloton and being a tiny wind block for 99% of the race..

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[Libertine Seguros]

If you watch Horner go down memory lane, Costa was his teammate so that will be part of today's YouTube offering.
I enjoy the Libertine perspective were the top 10 can look at each other and sort of allow Remco to race a separate event like for the last 2 days..
There is no fire if you can't see the smoke.
In my opinion, when he is on, nobody in the top 15 riders can keep a Remco wheel if he is trying to shake you. Have not looked at remaining stage profiles, but in my wildest dreams didn't think he could destroy people again today and get 3 minutes and finish just off the podium, in the same camera frame as the people sprinting for the win..I am blown away by these 2 days of riding, as you can tell..

Wait til you hear about the day Óscar Pereiro rode half an hour into the entire Tour de France GC battle.

 

[Izzyeviel]

JURY COMMUNIQUE Nº 16
.Art. 2.12.7; 8.3 Disposing of waste outside the litter zones, unidentified rider .D.D. ALPECIN-DECEUNINCK, WILLEMS, Frederik UCI ID 10001453869 Fine 500 CHF

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Art. 2.12.7; 8.6Inappropriate behaviour (urinating in public during the race)53 ELISSONDE, Kenny LIDL – TREK UCI ID 10007559213Fine 200,00 CHF

FFS Kenny

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Ive never seen them going this fast in Montreal.

Wrong thread

 

[tobydawq]

Wait til you hear about the day Óscar Pereiro rode half an hour into the entire Tour de France GC battle.

Landis had a bad day there, just like on La Toussuire. Phonak were lucky the other GC contenders didn't realise it because he couldn't have gone faster.

 

[Mayomaniac]

This is cycling heritage

Well, I kinda called Rui Costa winning this one.

 

[Oldermanish]

Wait til you hear about the day Óscar Pereiro rode half an hour into the entire Tour de France GC battle.

or the ascension of Claudio Chiappucci.

 

[hayneplane]

A business? Costa is a former World Champion in his own right, with 3 Tour de Suisse, multiple GC WT podiums, WT classics victories and podiums and 2 monuments podium and you talk like He is a career breakaway rider. Most Riders would only dreams of having a Palmarés like that.

He probably has one of the best palmares compared to talent level of all time along with Nibali.

 

[Ripper]

Thanks for this

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Vuelta is surely getting better and better.
Have to get up in 5 hours, but not exactly a stage you could fast-forward all the way.

So exciting and funny race, the winner just doing his thing as everyone in the breakaway should be aware, but easy to say from the armchair when he demonstrated his current shape, he didn't have to be the strongest. Maybe not the most deserved winner, but must admit I laughed hard as he passed the finish line.

And just my note on that debatable subject.
Would IMHO be boring if we just had stages where the strongest rider of the day always wins.
As well seasoned pot should also have some for the smartest guy as well as some for the pain in the *ss guy. And today's winner had a beautiful mix of both And in fact I most often prefer those races, where the cunning cheats the less cunning. But ofcourse I felt with Kämna, might have nailed it if just he wasn't that eager downhill - but ofcourse he knew Costa would do anything to hunt back, so stressfull situation.

 

[tobydawq]

Vuelta is surely getting better and better.
Have to get up in 5 hours, but not exactly a stage you could fast-forward all the way.

So exciting and funny race, the winner just doing his thing as everyone in the breakaway should be aware, but easy to say from the armchair when he demonstrated his current shape, he didn't have to be the strongest. Maybe not the most most deserving winner, but must admit I laughed hard as he passed the finish line.

And just my note on that debatable subject.
Would IMHO be boring if we just had stages where the strongest rider of the day always wins.
As well seasoned pot should also have some for the smartest guy as well as some for the pain in the *ss guy. And today's winner had a beautiful mix of both

Amazing moment in the commentator's box 2 kms from the line.

Lars Bak: As I said before, the d*ickheads (not quite what he said but stupid swine doesn't translate well into English) are usually the ones who win the bike races.

Rolf Sørensen: Grinning.

Rasmus Staghøj: Yeah, well, we like you anyway, Rolf.

Bak: Dying from laughter.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Amazing moment in the commentator's box 2 kms from the line.

Lars Bak: As I said before, the d*ickheads (not quite what he said but stupid swine doesn't translate well into English) are usually the ones who win the bike races.

Rasmus Staghøj: Yeah, well, we like you anyway, Rolf.

Bak: Dying from laughter.

OK, have to view the Danish TV2 signal tomorrow, definitely!

 

[Rackham]

I wasn't going to comment on the Rui Costa situation but I'm seeing some comments all over the internet this morning which IMO deserve a little rebuttal, namely people (journalists as well) claiming Rui Costa raced smartly (even taking the dishonourable nature of his tactics into account) & saying stuff like "he played them like a fiddle!".

No he didn't. He raced with an IQ of 75. He almost completely torpedoed everyone's chances, namely his. He got so lucky that A/Kämna crashed & B/Evenepoel had no legs.

Nothing he did in those final 15km's was 'intelligent', he simply won through a string of coincidences & lucky breaks. Good for him I guess but it's hardly a blueprint for future success.

 

[dennisdy]

If you watch Horner go down memory lane, Costa was his teammate so that will be part of today's YouTube offering.
I enjoy the Libertine perspective were the top 10 can look at each other and sort of allow Remco to race a separate event like for the last 2 days..
There is no fire if you can't see the smoke.
In my opinion, when he is on, nobody in the top 15 riders can keep a Remco wheel if he is trying to shake you. Have not looked at remaining stage profiles, but in my wildest dreams didn't think he could destroy people again today and get 3 minutes and finish just off the podium, in the same camera frame as the people sprinting for the win..I am blown away by these 2 days of riding, as you can tell..

Evenepoel can be impressive, but you need to look at his actual competitors for the last two days. Jumbo, UAE, and Bora make up the majority of the top ten. They don't care about Remco. He is no threat.

 

[tobydawq]

I wasn't going to comment on the Rui Costa situation but I'm seeing some comments all over the internet this morning which IMO deserve a little rebuttal, namely people (journalists as well) claiming Rui Costa raced smartly (even taking the dishonourable nature of his tactics into account) & saying stuff like "he played them like a fiddle!".

No he didn't. He raced with an IQ of 75. He almost completely torpedoed everyone's chances, namely his. He got so lucky that A/Kämna crashed & B/Evenepoel had no legs.

Nothing he did in those final 15km's was 'intelligent', he simply won through a string of coincidences & lucky breaks. Good for him I guess but it's hardly a blueprint for future success.

I have to admit that when I watched the finale, I was indeed thinking that for someone who rides that tactically, he really rides very, very stupidly too.

 

[Rob5091]

As I mentioned about Sean Kelly's description of Rui Costa, Horner had basically the same description. Funny, but damn annoying for riders if he's in a break.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations to Rui Alberto Faria da Costa for winning the stage.

To be honest i expected less from this stage and it sort of delivered. From GC point of view JV had a rather hard time controlling. Wasting a lot of energy to keep things in order. UAE looks like is all in for week three so it should be interesting. Remco in my opinion races for both, stage wins and he still wants to get higher in GC. Too bad for the bad day on stage 13. Would be a different race, GC vise, if that wouldn't happen.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Regardless of whether it was smart or not, it was still super funny to see him win. Danish commentators even laughed since they had talked about Rui Costa and his lack of relays and always being a bit too tired when it was his turn. I liked the finish at least.