Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 2: Mataró - Barcelona, 181.8k

[Red Rick]

The TTT should have been rescheduled or cancelled showing very WEAK leadership from the promotor AND the UCI money money money before riders, welfare AGAIN.

It's just so easy to always blame organisesr when riders and teams are never complaining beforehand.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Convinced some furious Iberian guy loosing it all yesterday can't hold back, even if it's earthquakes and thunderstorms.
He's really mad. I think he'll switch off his earplugs today. For the show I hope he will.

 

[tobydawq]

The TTT should have been rescheduled or cancelled showing very WEAK leadership from the promotor AND the UCI money money money before riders, welfare AGAIN.

Okay Koronin.

 

[Riek s]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1695695178986574124

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[Valv.Piti]

It's just so easy to always blame organisesr when riders and teams are never complaining beforehand.

As a team you just assume that the organization knows when it gets dark in Barcelona since that's their job. You have lots and lots of other things to worry about as a DS/rider leading up to such a TTT

Poor argument IMO. This is 100% on the organization.

 

[Jagartrott]

This is the predicted precipitation in Europe for the next 10 days. Latest ECMWF run.

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[roundabout]

I think one of Adam Hansen's tweets (x-s?) said that the street lights did not come on for the last teams.

I was expecting to have better street lights in that weather, but as I have not been to Barcelona in nearly 20 years I do not know if that was the best street lighting possible under the circumstances.

 

[topcat]

There is a stage 1 thread. This is the stage 2 thread.

 

[Rackham]

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Yeah I just posted this elsewhere.

What a crazy start to the Vuelta. I mean people can blame organizers for stuff but seriously, the weather taking a sudden turn from scorching hot to Roland Emmerich movie is just something no one could predict.

 

[Kwibus]

Yeah I just posted this elsewhere.

What a crazy start to the Vuelta. I mean people can blame organizers for stuff but seriously, the weather taking a sudden turn from scorching hot to Roland Emmerich movie is just something no one could predict.

Exactly. Yesterday darkness coming in probably wouldn't have been a big deal when it was a clear sky. Still bad weather is always possible so that's a mistake, but then again bad weather is possible on all stages and in that regard you can only have flat straight roads to make sure the race is safe when it's bad weather.

Still on an TTT day there should always be an alternative ready, like start an hour earlier...

 

[Valv.Piti]

Looks to be a rainy and rather cold (for spanish standards) beginning. If this was held one week earlier as usual, it would have been 10 degrees warmer basically. I have looking the whether up for the first week, and apart from the flat stages on stage 4 and 5, its not looking that good. We are used to scorching heat in La Vuelta, especially when they start in Andalucia, but this brings memories back to when they used to start in September and the whether was a lot worse, especially on some of the mountain stages.

 

[Kwibus]

I can't predict this stage. On a normal dry day I would've went with Roglic, but with this weather everything can happen. From neutralization to breakaway to crashes etc.

 

[tobydawq]

Looks to be a rainy and rather cold (for spanish standards) beginning. If this was held one week earlier as usual, it would have been 10 degrees warmer basically. I have looking the whether up for the first week, and apart from the flat stages on stage 4 and 5, its not looking that good. We are used to scorching heat in La Vuelta, especially when they start in Andalucia, but this brings memories back to when they used to start in September and the whether was a lot worse, especially on some of the mountain stages.

Yeah, tomorrow it will be close to freezing at the summits. And it will be raining.

That can be quite a shock to the system, I'd think.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Looks to be a rainy and rather cold (for spanish standards) beginning. If this was held one week earlier as usual, it would have been 10 degrees warmer basically. I have looking the whether up for the first week, and apart from the flat stages on stage 4 and 5, its not looking that good. We are used to scorching heat in La Vuelta, especially when they start in Andalucia, but this brings memories back to when they used to start in September and the whether was a lot worse, especially on some of the mountain stages.

Its crazy because I've been in the Barcelona reigon for the last few weeks and it's been absolutely scorching hot until yesterday. The hottest I've experienced there, the change in weather is unbelievable. If they started last week like the last few years it would have been so different.

 

[staubsauger]

So we likely get a cancelation tomorrow in licit conditions, but raced yesterday when it was irregular!?

 

[tobydawq]

So we likely get a cancelation tomorrow in licit conditions, but raced yesterday when it was irregular!?

Why do you think that?

 

[roundabout]

Why do you think that?

I do think there is some risk of Ordino not being done because going downhill in the rain and cold is no longer ok

 

[Valv.Piti]

Its crazy because I've been in the Barcelona reigon for the last few weeks and it's been absolutely scorching hot until yesterday. The hottest I've experienced there, the change in weather is unbelievable. If they started last week like the last few years it would have been so different.

Yeah, unlucky. I like to watch when its 30-35 degrees and clear skies in La Vuelta, that's how I remember it has always been in this race. But rain and cold can also do something for the race as long as that idiot Adam Hansen doesn't try to cancel and neutralize everything.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I do think there is some risk of Ordino not being done because going downhill in the rain and cold is no longer ok

Is it really going to be that cold, though?

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

This is the predicted precipitation in Europe for the next 10 days. Latest ECMWF run.

Wetterzentrale - Top Karten - ECMWF Europe 00Z

Wetterkarten ECMWF Europe 00Z

www.wetterzentrale.de

"Oh, NICE!", spoken in Onslow's voice.

 

[roundabout]

Is it really going to be that cold, though?

Perhaps not, but in the event that it will be forecast to be in the low single digits at the top of Ordino with the rain I can easily see an effort to remove it from the route.

 

[Red Rick]

Perhaps not, but in the event that it will be forecast to be in the low single digits at the top of Ordino with the rain I can easily see an effort to remove it from the route.

Yeah there is no possible way to deal with cold in 2023.

 

[Extinction]

Exactly. Yesterday darkness coming in probably wouldn't have been a big deal when it was a clear sky. Still bad weather is always possible so that's a mistake, but then again bad weather is possible on all stages and in that regard you can only have flat straight roads to make sure the race is safe when it's bad weather.

Still on an TTT day there should always be an alternative ready, like start an hour earlier...

It wasn't a question of bad weather or even riding in the darkness, per se; but that the organizers knowingly (unless they didn't consider sunset, which is just as grave) allowed for some teams to ride in the light, while others at final dusk. Light (or lack there of) should have been the same for all teams. Nor were the possible weather conditions, which turned out to be bad and compromised visibility further in the dark, taken into consideration. All in all an amateurish organization.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

I can't predict this stage. On a normal dry day I would've went with Roglic, but with this weather everything can happen. From neutralization to breakaway to crashes etc.

If the peleton decides to continue on their TT bikes of yesterday, I personally have a clear favourite, unless another puncture.

 

[Divergence]

Does anyone know if there are ging to be full stage broadcasts? On GCN the start time is 14:30 which is too late to catch the start