Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2023, stage 9: Cartagena - Collado de la Cruz de Caravaca, 184.5k

[Samamba]

with this wind forecast, I doubt it'll be a breakaway day. They're all weak anyway.

Where is this weak breakaway narrative coming from? Have you guys seen the Giro?

This isn't the Tour you really can't expect any better than what we got the last stages that ended/could've ended in a breakaway win.

 

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This isn't the Tour you really can't expect any better than what we got the last stages that ended/could've ended in a breakaway win.

yesterday's break was basically as strong as it can get in this Vuelta, and yet they were brought back by two Jumbo guys.

Of course, the lack of cooperation played a major part there, but I struggle to see what's supposed to be so much different today, to make it a breakaway day.

 

[Lequack]

Where is this weak breakaway narrative coming from? Have you guys seen the Giro?

This isn't the Tour you really can't expect any better than what we got the last stages that ended/could've ended in a breakaway win.

Actually it's usually in the Tour where the breaks don't make it because every team has a sprinter. So you get like 10+ sprint stages.

 

[tobydawq]

Actually it's usually in the Tour where the breaks don't make it because every team has a sprinter. So you get like 10+ sprint stages.

When has there ever been 10+ sprint stages in the Tour?

 

[Samamba]

yesterday's break was basically as strong as it can get in this Vuelta, and yet they were brought back by two Jumbo guys.

Of course, the lack of cooperation played a major part there, but I struggle to see what's supposed to be so much different today, to make it a breakaway day.

Break 3 days ago was even stronger.

And Jumbo to let them go? Isn't it always like this? Breaks win because the strongest team decide they can have the stage, it's always been like that. It doesn't have anything to do with the strength of the break (even tho is def doesn't help if the break is too big to have good cooperation), but with what the strongest teams want. They decide the race.

Actually it's usually in the Tour where the breaks don't make it because every team has a sprinter. So you get like 10+ sprint stages.

This isn't about sprint stages.

 

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And Jumbo to let them go? Isn't it always like this? Breaks win because the strongest team decide they can have the stage, it's always been like that.

of course, if it makes sense to do so. With the rest day tomorrow and a stage easy to control, personally I don't really see that today.

And the potential breakaway riders here imo are not strong enough to stay away from a chasing peloton. That's what I meant to say.

 

[Red Rick]

To me it looks like the wind isn't good enough for echelons I think. 20-25 kph is about borderline, and it's either pure crosswind or pure tailwind. Don't think there's many sections where it's really cross/tail

 

[staubsauger]

Has Sepulveda hurt himself in his crash? Because he looks kinda sad on the podium all the time. Or is that just his normal demure facial expression and he kept his powder dry for today's stage & 1st category climb?

 

[Red Rick]

And we have our first crash.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

And Echelons with Jumbo immediately of course

 

[Netserk]

Jumbo-Visma split the bunch
12:42
There are some 25 riders at the front.

Jumbo-Visma set a hard pace in the bunch
12:41
The peloton stretches in the wind...

Crash in the bunch and mechanical for Geraint Thomas
12:41
Riders from Soudal Quick-Step and Lotto Dstny were involved.

Fast start
12:38
The pack is bunched at km 4.

 

[ice&fire]

Are the race cars allowed to bring everything together like in 2019?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

LOL Geraint Thomas mechanical

 

[Netserk]

Only 5 riders have followed Jumbo-Visma!
12:45
Remco Evenepoel, Mattia Cattaneo (Soudal Quick-Step), Aleksandr Vlasov, Nico Denz and Emanuel Buchmann (Bora-Hansgrohe) are at the front with Jumbo-Visma.
Marc Soler (UAE Team Emirates) is chasing alone, with a gap of 11''.
The rest of the group trail by 17''.

 

[Tim Cahill]

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  1		1	EVENEPOEL Remco	2:31
  2		3	CATTANEO Mattia	18:12
  3		21	ROGLIČ Primož	2:38
  4		24	KUSS Sepp
  5		25	TRATNIK Jan	23:21
  6		26	VALTER Attila	9:19
  7		28	VINGEGAARD Jonas	2:42
  8		71	VLASOV Aleksandr	4:05
  9		73	BUCHMANN Emanuel	18:48

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[QueenStagiaire]

Echelon master Buchmann saving Vlasov!

 

[Eyeballs Out]

To me it looks like the wind isn't good enough for echelons I think. 20-25 kph is about borderline, and it's either pure crosswind or pure tailwind. Don't think there's many sections where it's really cross/tail

Think the wind is a lot more than strong enough if the forecasts are correct. Not sure how exposed the roads are though. It will be a very difficult, nervous day I think

 

[Red Rick]

To me it looks like the wind isn't good enough for echelons I think. 20-25 kph is about borderline, and it's either pure crosswind or pure tailwind. Don't think there's many sections where it's really cross/tail

Good take Rick

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Good take Rick

It's also well above 20-25 kph right now as per the Spanish meteorological agency.

 

[Tim Cahill]

GC Soler chasing it on his own apparently

 

[Gigs_98]

There is no coverage yet right?

 

[Tim Cahill]

They should just show the first and last hour if it's a financial thing.

 

[Samamba]

Haha ofcourse we're missing this

 

[Red Rick]

First echelon should normally be way too small to make it, especially as it's an uphill finish and there's about 4 GC leaders who need to save themselves.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

It's also well above 20-25 kph right now as per the Spanish meteorological agency.

Yes, the wind is also strongest at the start, cross-tail and it‘s hard to get organized coming out of the neutral zone.