Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2024, stage 11: Padrón - Padrón, 166.4k

[saunaking]

There is a chance that O'Connor will gain time on Rog on the harder mountain stages.

Nah. Unless its Rog getting dropped by everybody

 

[saunaking]

Really happy for Eddie Dunbar, kinda neglected the last 1 or 2 years at Sky, nice to see him chalk up a huge win!

 

[Coffeeplanter]

He took 20 seconds out of Mas in the first TT, which was exactly 1/2 the length of the stage 20 TT and they are about the same terrain.

When Mas is in peak shape he is able to put in a pretty solid TT.

(Pen)ultimate time trials are widely influenced by recovery, and, at this current point in time, I'd say Mas has the upper hand over everyone in that regard.

 

[ManicJack]

Nah. Unless its Rog getting dropped by everybody

That may very well happen. There's a long way to go still.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

Ben O'Connor is shedding tears on Twitter, because how dare the jury give 4 of his team members yellow cards for blocking the road. In my opinion too little of a punishment. Those who block the road should be banned from competing for about a month if you ask me. Nothing more infuriating than that.

 

[Samamba]

Ben O'Connor is shedding tears on Twitter, because how dare the jury give 4 of his team members yellow cards for blocking the road. In my opinion too little of a punishment. Those who block the road should be banned from competing for about a month if you ask me. Nothing more infuriating than that.

Ah come on man. While I agree that the blocking roads is pretty annoying, obviously a team or rider isn't going to like it when they are the one being punished when they do it once while top teams have been doing it for years and got away with it.

I don't believe for a second they will be consistently punishing teams/riders that do this. Visma, UAE, QS, etc. won't have any riders left after 2 months into the season.

To be clear, the punishments are fine if they would punish everyone doing it but I don't believe that for a second. And then I understand why Decathlon riders feel this way.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Deserved team-yellow, tbh whoever drove Carapaz off the road should probably face further penalty.

Would like to see consistency though.

I think this time it was more notable as a rider actually crashed.

 

[Coffeeplanter]

Ah come on man. While I agree that the blocking roads is pretty annoying, obviously a team or rider isn't going to like it when they are the one being punished when they do it once while top teams have been doing it for years and got away with it.

I don't believe for a second they will be consistently punishing teams/riders that do this. Visma, UAE, QS, etc. won't have any riders left after 2 months into the season.

To be clear, the punishments are fine if they would punish everyone doing it but I don't believe that for a second.

Neither do I, but when you do get hit with a punishment don't be rushing to Twitter. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[Sciatic]

He took 20 seconds out of Mas in the first TT, which was exactly 1/2 the length of the stage 20 TT and they are about the same terrain.

When Mas is in peak shape he is able to put in a pretty solid TT.

Completely flat though. But per historical the guys who are the strongest at the end of a GT will place higher than they would in the initial TT (or in a stand-alone TT).

 

[jmdirt]

I love it when the winner comes from the break!

 

[YavorD]

Speaking of the last TT I doubt Roglic can get more than a minute on O'Connor. He is really solid TT rider. In the Giro he lost only 1.26 to Ganna (and Roglic is not Ganna) over 31km.
If O'Connor is in red, I don't think Roglic will put more that 50 seconds on him. Mas can be around that too.

That said TT as a last stage is more about recovery and level of fatigue than a TT skill so all the predictions can go out of the window.

 

[Samamba]

Neither do I, but when you do get hit with a punishment don't be rushing to Twitter. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I don't know. I would be annoyed to if you see other teams do it for years and the whole season long and then when you do it you get punished. Bora has done it this Vuelta too already btw. It's just Carapaz crash that changes everything, but that's not fair imo. The one rider causing it should definitely be punished tho, doesn't matter if there is consistency or not, that's crossing the line.

 

[KZD]

Smart attack from Dunbar to take the stage win.

Mas and Roglič once again seemed like the two strongest GC riders of this Vuelta which is no guarantee that they will finish first and second given that O'Connor still has a good gap.

 

[perico]

Completely flat though. But per historical the guys who are the strongest at the end of a GT will place higher than they would in the initial TT (or in a stand-alone TT).

It’s about the same profile wise as the 1st TT, where Mas was much better in the 2nd half.

 

[Netserk]

Ben O'Connor is shedding tears on Twitter, because how dare the jury give 4 of his team members yellow cards for blocking the road. In my opinion too little of a punishment. Those who block the road should be banned from competing for about a month if you ask me. Nothing more infuriating than that.

In general, I'm fine with riders who are in a good position to not move aside when a rider behind them would like to move up. And for riders to ride no faster than it pleases them. So blocking the road by not moving aside and going slow is quite fine. The problem is by which means the front is blocked off and if it endangers others. If Carapaz crashed because of a move by an Ag2r rider trying to block the road, then a warning is welcome.

 

[Ricco']

Ben O'Connor is shedding tears on Twitter, because how dare the jury give 4 of his team members yellow cards for blocking the road. In my opinion too little of a punishment. Those who block the road should be banned from competing for about a month if you ask me. Nothing more infuriating than that.

And Benji Naesen joins the choir as well. Twitter algorithm keeps showing me his posts, and the anti UCI and anti Lappartient positions are getting a constant. It was first Poland no radio trial, a few days ago it was complaining about no adjustments due to high temperatures in the Vuelta, now this...

It almost looks like he's even more a voice for Plugge's interests than before. Since his partner is now a Jumbo employee, it seems like the teams covert opinions are being pushed by the sidekick.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I don't believe for a second they will be consistently punishing teams/riders that do this. Visma, UAE, QS, etc. won't have any riders left after 2 months into the season.

To be clear, the punishments are fine if they would punish everyone doing it but I don't believe that for a second. And then I understand why Decathlon riders feel this way.

I think that the yellow card system might make for more consistency: easy to give as it has no direct consequence in and of itself, but easy to repeat as there is always the "Well you had already been warned" aspect to it.

But IIRC, there is no point about moaning about them at this stage, because I think that until the end of the season, any issuing of yellow cards is purely to get teams used to the idea that yellow cards will be issued, and even in accumulation they are without sanction.

 

[Invicituz]

Magnificent win by Eddie Dunbar, becoming the sixth Irishman to win a Vuelta stage.

Roglič reeled in 37 seconds on O'Connor in the overall GC and now sits 3:16 minutes behind, not impossible, but a gap that will be difficult to close.

 

[Lequack]

Roglic was good, but I'm impressed by Mas, the way he can just cover all attacks and not get distanced at any point. It's like he's just waiting for one big mountain where he can go all Pablo Torres on others.

 

[Sciatic]

Ah come on man. While I agree that the blocking roads is pretty annoying, obviously a team or rider isn't going to like it when they are the one being punished when they do it once while top teams have been doing it for years and got away with it.

I don't believe for a second they will be consistently punishing teams/riders that do this. Visma, UAE, QS, etc. won't have any riders left after 2 months into the season.

To be clear, the punishments are fine if they would punish everyone doing it but I don't believe that for a second. And then I understand why Decathlon riders feel this way.

Probably true, but I still have a bad taste in my mouth about O’Connor’s indignant posts about the Giro director/ commissaries re: the bad weather stage decisions during this spring’s race. Fine to go complain to the race officials, but why post about it on X or Instagram or whatever?

 

[Sciatic]

Roglic was good, but I'm impressed by Mas, the way he can just cover all attacks and not get distanced at any point. It's like he's just waiting for one big mountain where he can go all Pablo Torres on others.

Well he had better do that because he’s 40 secs behind Roglic and will lose time in the TT. He may be better right now but he is going to have to be much better than Roglic to win the race (unless Roglic has a bad day which is certainly possible.

 

[Cookster15]

Congrats to Dunbar!

Ben O’Conner was surprising to lose that much time. Sure it was an anaerobic effort but if Landa could keep up with Roglic’s group he should have. BOC needs to bounce back the next two days or it won’t be looking good for him to hold on.

 

[tobydawq]

Congrats to Dunbar!

Ben O’Conner was surprising to lose that much time. Sure it was an anaerobic effort but if Landa could keep up with Roglic’s group he should have. BOC needs to bounce back the next two days or it won’t be looking good for him to hold on.

Landa has been on the podium at Flèche Wallonne, so I don't really see how that argument works.

 

[Faserr]

I think Red Bull will try to control half-hearted like yesterday. They will not kill their team for the stage or bonis. There is nothing flat before the last climb. Perhaps we can see 20-40 guys again at the front.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

And Benji Naesen joins the choir as well.

He actually complains "They're treating them like warnings".

Yes, that's exactly what they are, just like in every other sport that uses them.