Vuelta a España 2025 discussion

[pastronef]

l'Equipe saying the Vuelta could end on Saturday and not go to Madrid on Sunday where more protests are expected

Pour éviter de nouveaux débordements de manifestants pro-palestiniens, le Tour d'Espagne pourrait être abrégé

De nouveau perturbée par des manifestants pro-palestiniens, avec notamment la chute de Javier Romo, l'épreuve espagnole pourrait ne pas aller jusqu'à Madrid et rendre son verdict dès samedi soir, pour éviter des débordements encore plus importants.

www.lequipe.fr

 

[Sciatic]

l'Equipe saying the Vuelta could end on Saturday and not go to Madrid on Sunday where more protests are expected

Pour éviter de nouveaux débordements de manifestants pro-palestiniens, le Tour d'Espagne pourrait être abrégé

De nouveau perturbée par des manifestants pro-palestiniens, avec notamment la chute de Javier Romo, l'épreuve espagnole pourrait ne pas aller jusqu'à Madrid et rendre son verdict dès samedi soir, pour éviter des débordements encore plus importants.

www.lequipe.fr

Could be cool because the last 3 km of Stage 20 are murito-level, could we see the Vuelta decided in that last stretch of the last stage? (assuming Vingegaard is not as strong as we were all expecting).

 

[Netserk]

{Moderator edit: Tweet removed: this is a translation of the factual opening of it]

The National Court opens preliminary proceedings to CANCEL LA VUELTA following a complaint by ACOMThe Central Investigating Court No. 5 in Madrid has initiated preliminary proceedings following a criminal complaint filed by ACOM with the National Court, demanding the immediate cancellation of La Vuelta 2025

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Do we really want to be discussing the actions of a self-described pro-Israel lobby group, especially in the form of a tweet where they are attacking the Spanish government, on this forum?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

l'Equipe saying the Vuelta could end on Saturday and not go to Madrid on Sunday where more protests are expected

Pour éviter de nouveaux débordements de manifestants pro-palestiniens, le Tour d'Espagne pourrait être abrégé

De nouveau perturbée par des manifestants pro-palestiniens, avec notamment la chute de Javier Romo, l'épreuve espagnole pourrait ne pas aller jusqu'à Madrid et rendre son verdict dès samedi soir, pour éviter des débordements encore plus importants.

www.lequipe.fr

Bola del Mundo could be problematic. It's located in Sistema Centrale mountains, just about 50 km from Madrid. A lot of protestors could come there. The finish of the race could be the worst in recent memory.

 

[Netserk]

Do we really want to be discussing the actions of a self-described pro-Israel lobby group, especially in the form of a tweet where they are attacking the Spanish government, on this forum?

Regardless of that, I think it's race-relevant information when a Spanish court handles a case that could cancel the race.

Edit: we also don't need to discuss the local environment at Bola del Mondo to share news that concerns about it may affect the race.

 

[CyclistAbi]

In the end i guess it's good, for the court to get involved too. That is this is new reality and all sides, including law, will need to take their stance. For example head of EU commission just yesterday expressed her opinion on the matter. [content deleted]

 

[fenns]

The odds must be that this race will not finish.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The odds must be that this race will not finish.

I feel that the only authority on that are riders themself. They will decide if they still feel safe, or not. Organiser in my opinion will try to push through, court in this case IMHO has no real authority, other parties eloped anyway.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I feel that the only authority on that are riders themself. They will decide if they still feel safe, or not. Organiser in my opinion will try to push through, court in this case IMHO has no real authority, other parties eloped anyway.

Who have been married in secret? Is it some of the riders or have the dog and its chair finally tied the knot?

 

[Brullnux]

Regardless of that, I think it's race-relevant information when a Spanish court handles a case that could cancel the race.

Edit: we also don't need to discuss the local environment at Bola del Mondo to share news that concerns about it may affect the race.

Do you really think that a court will cancel the race that will last three more days on the basis of a complaint by a private person? I don't know what the Spanish law is here but the public interest in doing so is zero, given the police, government, and organisers are making live decisions on its feasibility every day. This is just a publicity stunt, it won't affect the race and it's not worth taking seriously.

 

[CyclistAbi]

[content deleted]

Who have been married in secret? Is it some of the riders or have the dog and its chair finally tied the knot?

Not married, just eloped.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

[content deleted]


Not married, just eloped.

I'm not sure that you know the meaning of the word 'eloped'.

 

[Cycling111]

Marc Soler has said there was no meeting among the Vuelta cyclists to vote on anything.

It's important to know how many false rumors have spread.
The thumbtack issue has been denied by other cyclists.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I'm not sure that you know the meaning of the word 'eloped'.

Not only that i know the meaning of it i know it good enough to use it in this context:

Definition of ELOPE

to run away secretly with the intention of getting married usually without parental consent; to run away from one's spouse with a lover; to slip away : escape… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

As i didn't want to say that UCI just ran away, from their responsibility, as that would be an understatement, they eloped. Disregarding altogether any emotional stress and similar they caused to other parties involved. For their selfish reasons, whatever they are.

 

[ingsve]

I did some quick calculations to see what countries have done the best across all 3 GTs this year. Here is the list taking the place point for the best finishing rider in each GT.

GB	8
Australia	25
USA	31
Colombia	33
Norway	37
Ecuador	38
France	41
Italy	49
Spain	63
Germany	74
Netherlands	77
Denmark	82
Austria	86
Belgium	104
Ireland	117
Canada	164
Slovenia	185
Suisse	186
Czech	233
Poland	251
New Zealand	269
Kazakhstan	344

First of all the big surprise is perhaps Norway who is the 5th best nation with place numbers 22, 6 and 9.
Some countries like Denmark and Austria did very well in 2 GTs but were let down by the result in the 3rd, bringing them further down in the overall list.

Another notable thing is that Spain essentially failed in every GT this year. Despite having riders like Ayuso, Mas, Carlos Rodriguez and Lastras their best overall placing ends up being Balderstone at 13th in the Vuelta. They finished 30th in the Giro with Bilbao and 20th in the Tour with Cristian Rodriguez.

 

[Unchained]

I'm not sure that you know the meaning of the word 'eloped'.

It's when you cut the end off vegetables like carrots or celery.. Eloped it off into the bin..and sometimes people cut the bottom off flowers so that they can absorb water up the stems..Eloped off a little before putting them in the vase..also horses can do some moves while they have eloped..makes them really happy and frisky!!!!
People in Las Vegas often regret actions after they have eloped..and I am pretty sure that Eloped was a great player, later a base coach for Los Angeles Dodgers.. Eloped is very versatile!! Lol!!!!

 

[Sciatic]

I did some quick calculations to see what countries have done the best across all 3 GTs this year. Here is the list taking the place point for the best finishing rider in each GT.

GB	8
Australia	25
USA	31
Colombia	33
Norway	37
Ecuador	38
France	41
Italy	49
Spain	63
Germany	74
Netherlands	77
Denmark	82
Austria	86
Belgium	104
Ireland	117
Canada	164
Slovenia	185
Suisse	186
Czech	233
Poland	251
New Zealand	269
Kazakhstan	344

First of all the big surprise is perhaps Norway who is the 5th best nation with place numbers 22, 6 and 9.
Some countries like Denmark and Austria did very well in 2 GTs but were let down by the result in the 3rd, bringing them further down in the overall list.

Another notable thing is that Spain essentially failed in every GT this year. Despite having riders like Ayuso, Mas, Carlos Rodriguez and Lastras their best overall placing ends up being Balderstone at 13th in the Vuelta. They finished 30th in the Giro with Bilbao and 20th in the Tour

With this system, countries that have have great Tours with their sprinters and puncheurs but don’t have top Gzc contenders will automatically always be among the worst. It’s also weirdly skewed toward rewarding mediocracy—as long as a country has top 1O-ish placement in all 3 GTs. Do you really think Ecuador was “better” in GTs this year than Denmark?

 

[ingsve]

With this system, countries that have have great Tours with their sprinters and puncheurs but don’t have top Gzc contenders will automatically always be among the worst. It’s also weirdly skewed toward rewarding mediocracy—as long as a country has top 1O-ish placement in all 3 GTs. Do you really think Ecuador was “better” in GTs this year than Denmark?

First of all it's only for GC so sprinting etc. has no say in it. But since it is looking at countries and not teams, there is not really any excuse to not have any GC results. Either you happen to have the riders or you don't.

The question isn't who did better in GTs, the question is who did better across all 3 GTs combined, and it's just one metric out of many possible. So yes, showing up counts for a lot. Mexico for example had a 2nd place with Del Toro but no participation in the other 2 so across all three GTs they didn't even qualify.

 

[RedheadDane]

Denmark

82

Says something about how comparatively bad our best rider in the Giro was...

Could I convince you to do the full breakdown? As in; add what the placing of the best-placed rider in each GT was?

 

[ingsve]

Says something about how comparatively bad our best rider in the Giro was...

Could I convince you to do the full breakdown? As in; add what the placing of the best-placed rider in each GT was?

	Giro	Tour	Vuelta	Total
GB	1	4	3	8
Australia	10	11	4	25
USA	9	17	5	31
Colombia	7	14	12	33
Norway	22	6	9	37
Ecuador	3	13	22	38
France	15	7	19	41
Italy	5	38	6	49
Spain	30	20	13	63
Germany	20	3	51	74
Netherlands	29	12	36	77
Denmark	79	2	1	82
Austria	73	5	8	86
Belgium	71	22	11	104
Ireland	87	9	21	117
Canada	4	52	108	164
Slovenia	83	1	101	185
Suisse	32	78	76	186
Czech	57	133	43	233
Poland	13	155	83	251
New Zealand	96	89	84	269
Kazakhstan	147	92	105	344
Mexico	2	-	-	-
South Africa	18	-	16	-
Luxembourge	33	-	44	-
Venezuela	101	-	88	-
Croatia	113	-	-	-
Latvia	131	88	-	-
Portugal	-	74	2	-
Argentina	-	122	58	-
Eritrea	-	132	135	-
Russia	-	27	79	-
estonia	-	-	126	-
Guatemala	-	-	69	-
Israel	-	-	141	-
Monaco	-	-	59	-
Uruguay	-	-	78	-

 

[Squire]

	Giro	Tour	Vuelta	Total
GB	1	4	3	8
Australia	10	11	4	25
USA	9	17	5	31
Colombia	7	14	12	33
Norway	22	6	9	37
Ecuador	3	13	22	38
France	15	7	19	41
Italy	5	38	6	49
Spain	30	20	13	63
Germany	20	3	51	74
Netherlands	29	12	36	77
Denmark	79	2	1	82
Austria	73	5	8	86
Belgium	71	22	11	104
Ireland	87	9	21	117
Canada	4	52	108	164
Slovenia	83	1	101	185
Suisse	32	78	76	186
Czech	57	133	43	233
Poland	13	155	83	251
New Zealand	96	89	84	269
Kazakhstan	147	92	105	344
Mexico	2	-	-	-
South Africa	18	-	16	-
Luxembourge	33	-	44	-
Venezuela	101	-	88	-
Croatia	113	-	-	-
Latvia	131	88	-	-
Portugal	-	74	2	-
Argentina	-	122	58	-
Eritrea	-	132	135	-
Russia	-	27	79	-
estonia	-	-	126	-
Guatemala	-	-	69	-
Israel	-	-	141	-
Monaco	-	-	59	-
Uruguay	-	-	78	-

That is pretty atrocious for a historic GT powerhouse like Spain. Has it ever happened that they haven't had a GT top 10 in a year? Even not having a podium is really rare for Spain, I think.

 

[RedheadDane]

Slovenia falling behind. Compare to last year:

Giro	Tour	Vuelta	Total
1	1	1	3

 

[Devil's Elbow]

That is pretty atrocious for a historic GT powerhouse like Spain. Has it ever happened that they haven't had a GT top 10 in a year? Even not having a podium is really rare for Spain, I think.

It's been a pretty abysmal year for Spain in general. Only 20 pro wins, only 9 WT wins, only 4 GT stage wins. Ayuso accounts for 40%, 66.67% and 75% of those respectively - pretty telling that in a year that has mostly been a failure, he has been far and away the best Spanish rider.

And then we haven't even talked about the big classics - García Cortina was 9th in Ronde, Aranburu was 15th in Sanremo and Liège, and then the next-best is Barrenetxea's 20th in Sanremo. The consensus a few years ago was that Spain was in by far the best spot of the GT countries: it might be time to reassess that conclusion.

 

[Squire]

It's been a pretty abysmal year for Spain in general. Only 20 pro wins, only 9 WT wins, only 4 GT stage wins. Ayuso accounts for 40%, 66.67% and 75% of those respectively - pretty telling that in a year that has mostly been a failure, he has been far and away the best Spanish rider.

And then we haven't even talked about the big classics - García Cortina was 9th in Ronde, Aranburu was 15th in Sanremo and Liège, and then the next-best is Barrenetxea's 20th in Sanremo. The consensus a few years ago was that Spain was in by far the best spot of the GT countries: it might be time to reassess that conclusion.

Yeah, it's very striking. Of course it doesn't help that the season has been a huge failure for Mas, Landa and Carlos Rodriguez as well, for various reasons.

But behind those, the depth is really non-existent. It's baffling that the best Spanish riders in the three GTs this year are a 35-year-old Bilbao (30th in Giro), Cristian Rodriguez (20th in Tour) and Abel Balderstone (13th in Vuelta).