Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2025, Stage 13: Cabezón de la Sal – L’Angliru (202.5k)

[CyclistAbi]

@Valv.Piti

Rogla is good with the media, ask anybody.

 

[Rob5091]

yeah, he was late to the party, but got the Burgos bug a couple of days ago. They've sent home four riders and a couple of staff members already, all occupying the hotel toilets all night.

It's more of a shame for the minor teams here at the Vuelta as they don't get many days to shine and then being struck down is cruel luck. I did read about the top teams carrying on Covid type precautions even now so they don't get all infected when one guy gets ill. Prevention is the cure! as they used to say.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I prefer Rogličes interviews, short and straight to the punch. I have seen on TV Jonas couldn't beat João so i don't need a lengthy interview Jonas explaining that to me again, being honest.

I also enjoy Roglič's Danish interviews a lot. His language skills are very underrated.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

@Valv.Piti

Rogla is good with the media, ask anybody.

Journalist: How did you choose the bike for this TT? [Peyreguades]
Roglic: I rode what they gave me.

 

[Leinster]

I’m starting to like this Almeida guy. Despite the steepness/slowness, many would have started flicking elbows and looking around at some point. Today Almeida just kept on grinding. What an effort!

We’ve seen it a couple times from Almeida now, it happened in the Giro a couple years ago, that sometimes when a group absolutely needs someone to get on the front, no games or waving about, and hammer up a climb, he’s the one who’ll go to the front and just do it. It might mean someone hops off his wheel in the final km and steals the glory, or like today it might mean he wins on the hardest summit finish in cycling, but it will always mean he doesn’t sit around flapping his arms and argue with his while losing time to someone else.

I can think of a few GT podium finishers who could learn a lesson or two from Almeida today.

 

[Red Rick]

If you know Vingegaard, and listen to his Danish interviews (which I know not many people do), you'd know that he's always telling the truth about his sensations. As much as I don't like how he races most of the times, I can appreciate his interviews. Its not the Roglic *** nonsense answers, it's being honest about his condition, and today he told Almeida was just stronger and he lacked the legs and hoped for better tomorrow and in the last week.

Very honest and straightforward dude. I mean obviously, he's from the Northern part of Jutland (like myself!)

I'm pretty sure that when he was fully honest in the Tour he was suddenly being massively disrespectful to his own teammates.

In truth, they all do PR talk in one way or the other.

 

[Netserk]

I'm pretty sure that when he was fully honest in the Tour he was suddenly being massively disrespectful to his own teammates.

In truth, they all do PR talk in one way or the other.

When was that?

 

[Red Rick]

When was that?

When he said he didn't care if he lost time to Pogacar and Vingegaard.

 

[Netserk]

When he said he didn't care if he lost time to Pogacar and Vingegaard.

Ah, you meant Rogla. One way or another, I almost always like whatever he has to say.

 

[Rackham]

Vingegaard doesn't need to say much - especially if he has complaints. He has Trine to do the dirty work via the media. It's good cop/bad cop stuff.

But seriously the talk of Vingegaard gifting Angliru is just not it. He was on the limit and just hanging on. I know some of his fans have a hard time believing that but he's a professional. Almeida was just stronger yesterday.

 

[Rackham]

Agree. Was wondering what happened to the 2022 Hindley ever since he went to Red Bull - his 2023 TdF exploits were still unconvincing even if he did crash. Hopefully he can continue to ride this well.

In 2022 Hindley was known to get better in the 3rd week. If that repeats a podium is strong possibility for him.

Hindley never went to Red Bull, i.e. Red Bull went to Hindley, so to speak. He won the Giro 2022 with Bora already.

 

[Red Rick]

Vingegaard doesn't need to say much - especially if he has complaints. He has Trine to do the dirty work via the media. It's good cop/bad cop stuff.

But seriously the talk of Vingegaard gifting Angliru is just not it. He was on the limit and just hanging on. I know some of his fans have a hard time believing that but he's a professional. Almeida was just stronger yesterday.

It's not capital G gifting. It's more like he was definitely near the limit, and not confident enough to try and find out if he could drop Almeida with whatever little he had extra. If you have absolutely nothing extra, you don't stick to within 20cm of the backwheel on the entire Angliru.

Also, to get over the top once on the false flat downhill section you actually need to be a lot more powerful on that section.

 

[Red Rick]

Ah, you meant Rogla. One way or another, I almost always like whatever he has to say.

Vingegaard did do the whole "Tour is not over I'll keep trying til last day, I'm prepared to lose 2nd" spiel at the Tour. Both tihs year and last year.

It's both epxected to say, but it's also a PR thing to say.

 

[Salvarani]

Vingegaard did do the whole "Tour is not over I'll keep trying til last day, I'm prepared to lose 2nd" spiel at the Tour. Both tihs year and last year.

It's both epxected to say, but it's also a PR thing to say.

And he rightfully got criticized for it, as it didnt match his actions.

 

[Rackham]

It's not capital G gifting. It's more like he was definitely near the limit, and not confident enough to try and find out if he could drop Almeida with whatever little he had extra. If you have absolutely nothing extra, you don't stick to within 20cm of the backwheel on the entire Angliru.

Also, to get over the top once on the false flat downhill section you actually need to be a lot more powerful on that section.

It's sort of ironic that Vingegaard's 2025 Angliru totally mirrored his 2023 Angliru by sitting on someone's wheel, not attacking and then fans saying he 'gifted' the victory on purpose.

Now whatever the truth is in both situations I think in this instance it's pretty much certain he'd have taken the win if he could because it's the Angliru and that might have been his only shot in his career to get his name on the list of winners. Also he's got to win for his team yesterday if he the legs.

 

[fenns]

He might have won if he'd attacked before the climb flattened but he probably didn't want to risk blowing up.

 

[Red Rick]

It's sort of ironic that Vingegaard's 2025 Angliru totally mirrored his 2023 Angliru by sitting on someone's wheel, not attacking and then fans saying he 'gifted' the victory on purpose.

Now whatever the truth is in both situations I think in this instance it's pretty much certain he'd have taken the win if he could because it's the Angliru and that might have been his only shot in his career to get his name on the list of winners. Also he's got to win for his team yesterday if he the legs.

The 'gifted' story is much more pervasive for 2023 though.

 

[Cookster15]

Hindley never went to Red Bull, i.e. Red Bull went to Hindley, so to speak. He won the Giro 2022 with Bora already.

My bad. What I meant was Hindley hasn’t reached his 2022 Giro level until maybe yesterday. Seemed to coincide with Roglic arriving which was when the team became Red Bull. Just wonder if he lost a smidgen of motivation with Roglic’s arrival after he had delivered the team its first grand tour win?

Anyway yesterday was the best I think he’s climbed since 2022 and I think now he is a good possibility of grabbing a podium finish in Madrid.

 

[Red Rick]

My bad. What I meant was Hindley hasn’t reached his 2022 Giro level until maybe yesterday. Seemed to coincide with Roglic arriving which was when the team became Red Bull. Just wonder if he lost a smidgen of motivation with Roglic’s arrival after he had delivered the team its first grand tour win?

Anyway yesterday was the best I think he’s climbed since 2022 and he is a good possibility of grabbing a podium finish in Madrid.

He was on his usual prep level in the Dauphine in 2024, then they all overtrained and Bora did a really bad Tour overall.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Vingegaard doesn't need to say much - especially if he has complaints. He has Trine to do the dirty work via the media. It's good cop/bad cop stuff.

But seriously the talk of Vingegaard gifting Angliru is just not it. He was on the limit and just hanging on. I know some of his fans have a hard time believing that but he's a professional. Almeida was just stronger yesterday.

Lmao, thats true to a certain extent. But honestly I think what Trine said was more of a rogue act than anything Vingegaard 'ordered' her to say. In fact Im quite confident thats the case. They might have talked about it, and Jonas might agree with some of it, but I think her comments was mostly Trine being fed up with Visma (like many Danes are, for some strange reason) and having no clue about professional cycling.

And I have no clue why someone would suggest Jonas was gifting anything. I have seen these comments on Danish social media, but its quite obvious he didn't, of course, and he said so himself as well. He'd like to win, but couldn't, and for whatever reason, didn't really try. I don't know why, but watching Jonas closely for 5 years now, when he's on the limit, he has thing thing of just being content by following and thats that.

 

[gunara]

Grinning???...he looked maniacal like a giant Chucky on a bike
No one wanted him to win as everyone knew a 42 year old does not climb that climb , never sitting down, better than Purito, Bala and Nibali, on bread and water

That's why it is my "worst", while is also the best-preserved

 

[CyclistAbi]

Journalist: How did you choose the bike for this TT? [Peyreguades]
Roglic: I rode what they gave me.

And he was honest, remember that time and the expression on his face when he realised the front gear they gave him on a TT bike? Still did good, though, a couple of minutes after.

@Valv.Piti

So, was Jonas honest in everything he said at lets say Vuelta 23? Note that i don't blame him if he wasn't. It's just that you started with this debate presenting Jonas as some kind of saint, on when it comes to dealing with media and confessing everything honestly, like talking to a priest i guess. Right.