Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2025, Stage 13: Cabezón de la Sal – L’Angliru (202.5k)

[saunaking]

Look how they massacred my boy…

lol who is this even referring to

 

[Heston]

A good stage and a promising sign for an entertaining week 3.

Shoutout to Balderstone who finished 10th today from the favorites group.

 

[Lequack]

Jonas was hardly mouth breathing. He was toying with Almeida.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Jonas was hardly mouth breathing. He was toying with Almeida.

He was *** tired at the end. He had no power to attack at any point of the climb.

 

[Peter von]

Jonas was hardly mouth breathing. He was toying with Almeida.

They tried, Jonas and Joao took it very chill and looked incredibly surprised that Pidders wasn’t there to pass them in the end.

 

[Red Rick]

Perhaps this should be a signal to Visma to stop it with the "attrition" ***. Vingegaard did the Tour, Almeida didn't. Vingegaard has performed best at fresh efforts this Vuelta.

 

[Salvarani]

Perhaps this should be a signal to Visma to stop it with the "attrition" ***. Vingegaard did the Tour, Almeida didn't. Vingegaard has performed best at fresh efforts this Vuelta.

Almeida just cracked his ribs and had to abandon.

 

[Red Rick]

Almeida just cracked his ribs and had to abandon.

See, few weeks of rest. My point exactly.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Almeda put in a ride unlike any ride he has ever done. Jonas didn't, but was still there

What are some people talking about? Jonas being a gentleman and giving the stage to Joao?
Remember stage 19 of the Tour? Jonas sucked wheels and was 1 second away from pipping Arensman for the win.
This is the Angliru and he wanted to win. He was beaten by a stronger man. Fair and square.

I never said he gave him anything, I said he didn't contest out of respect for the effort Alemda gave. Even if he'd contested, I am not saying he would have won.

 

[Salvarani]

See, few weeks of rest. My point exactly.

Sure

 

[Red Rick]

Judging by gaps further back, Almeida was at a pretty similar level to the MTT of Tour de Suisse I'd say.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

The "he's too much of a gentleman to win" argument is just weird.

It's that he recognized that Alemda deserved to win, because of his effort, and the fact that Jonas didn't need to win to prove anything to himself or anyone else. Pogacar needs to and does prove to everyone that he is the strongest. It's a mentality that many champions have. Jonas is not that type of rider. Again, I'm not saying that he would have won if he tried, and I certainly don't believe he didn't try because he is a coward. It's possible he just didn't have it to even try, but it didn't look that way to me. It looked to me like a rider who had matched his rival, when his rival just put in the ride of his life, and he didn't see a need to try to beat him today. He's still in red, and the race isn't over, and I don't see any sign that Jonas believes he cannot win. In fact, I think he knows that if he avoids crashing or injury, he will win.

 

[RobertCrawley]

It's that he recognized that Alemda deserved to win, because of his effort, and the fact that Jonas didn't need to win to prove anything to himself or anyone else. Pogacar needs to and does prove to everyone that he is the strongest. It's a mentality that many champions have. Jonas is not that type of rider. Again, I'm not saying that he would have won if he tried, and I certainly don't believe he didn't try because he is a coward. It's possible he just didn't have it to even try, but it didn't look that way to me. It looked to me like a rider who had matched his rival, when his rival just put in the ride of his life, and he didn't see a need to try to beat him today. He's still in red, and the race isn't over, and I don't see any sign that Jonas believes he cannot win. In fact, I think he knows that if he avoids crashing or injury, he will win.

You’re not a mind reader. Listen to what the man said.

 

[Hugh Januss]

lol who is this even referring to

Pudcock.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

You’re not a mind reader. Listen to what the man said.

He didn't say that he didn't have the legs to win. You and other's keep saying that, but he never spoke those words. Therefore, you're interpreting what he said...which involves mind reading as well. Physician heal thyself and all.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Pidcock first light crack, but not the last. He just does not have the engine

 

[Unchained]

You’re not a mind reader. Listen to what the man said.

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=z49dXgd0oLU&pp=ygUKdmluZ2VnYWFyZA%3D%3D


His English is outstanding but because it's not his first language, message is bit confusing about who could win and why, he tries to explain being disappointed and conceding to a better effort by Almeida. No matter what both teams raced excellent for overall team results. Top 20 shows that even when guys looked totally blown, they weren't and kept fighting for the finish.

 

[Danskebjerge]

That isn't what he said.

Vingegaard did say that. In fact he even said that he was performing worse than earlier in the Vuelta:

"I think it's just my own legs that were a little less good than they were last week. Hopefully I can recover a bit."

I don't see why he should say this if in fact he could have won the stage. Other things in his statement also contradict the theory that Vingegaard let Almeida win.

 

[Unchained]

Pidcock first light crack, but not the last. He just does not have the engine

Engine is what he does have, GT team, GT tactics and experience, all things he has in limited supply,
his brain is wired for mountain bike racing and sustained efforts very different and the amount of hiding and economy you have to use in a 3 week road race event is very different than mountain bike mindset.
The big advantage that his background, like Sepp Kuss , both can really punish themselves without using others as a gauge. Pidcock is only going to get better as he starts to use team aspects to conserve energy. His is essentially brand new to WT GT level competition and doesn't make mistakes that riders with way way more experience make all the time.
Pidcock has a pain threshold were you could cut off one of his limbs and he wouldn't notice unless you told him. And if you watch his interviews he has multiple moments when he is surprised by stupid questions he is asked, which I absolutely love.
He is learning when and why to rev his engine. And I believe his claimed weight of @57 kilos and for his size he gets mixed up sprinting pretty effectively.. Had it been Pidcock instead of Vingegaard in cattle shoot finish stretch might have been different imo..Jonas might be afraid to pass in narrow metal barriers but Tom Terrific does that schit in his sleep.

 

[gunara]

My best/worst Angliru memory is still Horner grinning all the way through the mist while distancing Nibali. You're just not supposed to look so happy on Angliru, almost Jack Torrance-happy.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Brilliant race. I think Jonas had plenty of opportunities to attack and take the stage, and would likely have done so if he could.
I do think that if this had finished on an uphill, perhaps Jonas would have tried to give everything in the last 500m...unless, of course, he had already done so.

 

[Peter von]

Brilliant race. I think Jonas had plenty of opportunities to attack and take the stage, and would likely have done so if he could.
I do think that if this had finished on an uphill, perhaps Jonas would have tried to give everything in the last 500m...unless, of course, he had already done so.

Yeah always tough to predict.

I think Jonas was sat on the wheel all climb thinking “he’ll run out of steam any minute now aaaaa-ny minute;” and it just never happened, Joao even looked like he had a little kick left at the end to prevent Jonas from getting any funny ideas.

 

[KoopaCycling]

Engine is what he does have, GT team, GT tactics and experience, all things he has in limited supply,
his brain is wired for mountain bike racing and sustained efforts very different and the amount of hiding and economy you have to use in a 3 week road race event is very different than mountain bike mindset.
The big advantage that his background, like Sepp Kuss , both can really punish themselves without using others as a gauge. Pidcock is only going to get better as he starts to use team aspects to conserve energy. His is essentially brand new to WT GT level competition and doesn't make mistakes that riders with way way more experience make all the time.
Pidcock has a pain threshold were you could cut off one of his limbs and he wouldn't notice unless you told him. And if you watch his interviews he has multiple moments when he is surprised by stupid questions he is asked, which I absolutely love.
He is learning when and why to rev his engine. And I believe his claimed weight of @57 kilos and for his size he gets mixed up sprinting pretty effectively.. Had it been Pidcock instead of Vingegaard in cattle shoot finish stretch might have been different imo..Jonas might be afraid to pass in narrow metal barriers but Tom Terrific does that schit in his sleep.

I very much disagree. In all the years i've seen him race, i've seen nothing of him that tells me his engine his big enough to play in the big mountains, let alone during a 3 week race.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Yeah always tough to predict.

I think Jonas was sat on the wheel all climb thinking “he’ll run out of steam any minute now aaaaa-ny minute;” and it just never happened, Joao even looked like he had a little kick left at the end to prevent Jonas from getting any funny ideas.

I agree, I think Joao's strength surprised even Jonas.

 

[Red Rick]

So do we know if GPS was being completely silly or if Vingegaard/Almeida really lost around 20s back to the chasing groups towards the end of the climb?