Vuelta a España Vuelta a España 2025, Stage 9: Alfaró – Estación de Esquí de Valdezcaray (195.5k)

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Vingegaard isn't boring in interviews. He's honest, even mentioning the randomness of certain decisions he has made. I think in general interviews in cycling are more interesting than interviews in a sport like football. At least these days.
Yep i like Jonas ...he seems so normal and down to earth
Football interviews can be so predictable alright

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYXWzP-GuUc
 
Ayuso just trundled home in 157th

I know it’s not good and I feel a bit sorry for Almeida but I can’t pretend the whole thing isn’t extremely amusing.
I mean, pog aside, what friggin' weird team. Let's forget the clinical issues for a moment. They buy up the big talents, they can afford all the best coaching money can buy, and they still manage to mess up their GTs when there's no pog.

Was there a vampire sighting today though????
 
Vingegaard isn't boring in interviews. He's honest, even mentioning the randomness of certain decisions he has made. I think in general interviews in cycling are more interesting than interviews in a sport like football. At least these days.
I actually like vingo's interviews. He strikes me as introverted and thoughtful, but not boring.
 
First of all, chapeau to Vingegaard for recognizing the opportunity presented at the base of the climb and capitalizing on it. Well done!
This guy is amazing. Love seeing him go all out.

Secondly, what a shitshow for UAE.
Vine actually manage to give it for a couple minutes, but maybe he could have done a little more.
Soler was too far back and didn't take a turn pulling for João... but sure thing pulled in the GC group at the final kms... wtf?
And Ayuso... no comments. This is on the DS even more than it is on Ayuso himself. He is like this, everyone knows this.
If UAE was serious about wining the Vuelta they should have brought guys like Del Toro (i believe he would have worked for Almeida), Rafal Majka or Narvaez.

As for Almeida, great job absolutely destroying everybody in the GC group, but he the big mistake was his usual: bad positioning.
He keeps getting caught out of position, time and time again. At some point he has to realise that if he sucks at it, then he must be glued to somebody who is great at it, like Vingegaard, and never ever ever let his wheel go.
 
First of all, chapeau to Vingegaard for recognizing the opportunity presented at the base of the climb and capitalizing on it. Well done!
This guy is amazing. Love seeing him go all out.

Secondly, what a shitshow for UAE.
Vine actually manage to give it for a couple minutes, but maybe he could have done a little more.
Soler was too far back and didn't take a turn pulling for João... but sure thing pulled in the GC group at the final kms... wtf?
And Ayuso... no comments. This is on the DS even more than it is on Ayuso himself. He is like this, everyone knows this.
If UAE was serious about wining the Vuelta they should have brought guys like Del Toro (i believe he would have worked for Almeida), Rafal Majka or Narvaez.

As for Almeida, great job absolutely destroying everybody in the GC group, but he the big mistake was his usual: bad positioning.
He keeps getting caught out of position, time and time again. At some point he has to realise that if he sucks at it, then he must be glued to somebody who is great at it, like Vingegaard, and never ever ever let his wheel go.
I was about to bring up the positioning thing--but for Almeida may be an "old dog" situation and will never change.
 
You saw what happened to Ciccone and Gall today?

I was very impressed by Pidders today, I thought he'd get dropped before he got to take a single turn on the front. Excellent ride!
I did see what happened to Ciccone and Gall today. That's also why Pidcock would potentially have benefitted from collaborating with Almeida if the GC was his aim, to put more time into them while he has the legs. If the GC wasn't his aim, then he ain't gonna win the stage without them catching Vingegaard and it was clear Vingegaard wasn't being caught by Almeida alone.
When pog is not at the race, UAE tends to race stage races like Movistar.

Wait! Is there a Movistar connection here? Why, I believe there is!
Of course there's Marc Soler, but you did have me checking if they'd somehow managed to land Igor Arrieta (who had been in Movistar's feeder) by hiring his dad - they kind of got him because of Movistar firing his father for being the absolute worst DS that Movistar had (and think of the ground that covers), so it would have made sense.
Movistar ....ah yes I remember them...whatever happened to them ?
Well, reality caught up with their budget, in the main. They were always overachieving their budget through the 2010s, thanks to Valverde being, well, Valverde, and when that generation of talents came out of Colombia in the late 2000s they backed the right horse by choosing Nairo Quintana out of them. They had a very stable and reliable core of road captains and helpers like García Acosta, Lastras, Gutiérrez, Erviti, Amador and latter-day Rojas. However, they hit a couple of swings and misses on some young Spanish GC prospects that didn't pan out (Soler being one, but even more notably Rubén Fernández and being sold a bill of goods with Jaime Rosón) and also had some gambles that didn't pay off (Antón, Betancur) and got shafted by Acquadro a few times, most notably over Richard Carapaz.

They broke the bank to bring Mikel Landa on board, but the trident leadership was a disaster, not least because it cost them almost the entirety of their most reliable domestique corps, leaving them immensely top-heavy. When forced to choose between their three leaders, Unzué let his heart rule his head and kept Valverde, which was fine in the short term, but was only ever going to be a short term solution, and the long-term plan they had was Enric Mas, and the problem with that is that Mas lives and dies by GC position, he doesn't have the explosivity and is not going to win you races if his GC bid fails the way that Valverde or Quintana could and had done for them on multiple occasions. Supermán was a successful integration that blew up in their face spectacularly and they ended up effectively trading him for loose parts with Astana - one bonanza leader for three strong role-players, and it worked out OK for Movistar, but none of the riders brought on were as prominent as the one they lost (it was a bullet dodged after his doping scandal of course). They had a pre-contract signed with Carlos Rodríguez but Ineos had a shambles of an off-season that led Brailsford to come in and annul that, leaving them way too reliant on Mas and without that much to follow up from that bar an increasingly forlorn hope that Nairoman turns back in to what he was a decade ago.

Now, they're essentially in an awkward limbo. They've made too many managerial missteps in recent years over development to be the first port of call for young Spanish riders, and we've seen most of those stars go elsewhere lately (Ayuso, Carlos Rodríguez, Arrieta, Torres, and now Noval), as well as the team being way too quick to give up on development projects as well, most notably Abner González who finished top 20 on Ventoux in his first pro race and top 10 in the Volta a Portugal as a neo-pro. Their attempts to find a second leader alongside Mas have been a complete disaster so far, and they have gone from being a team of leaders with no support squad to having an excellent support squad (or what would traditionally be an excellent support squad - the likes of UAE and Visma have rather changed expectations, but in most eras a GC leader being backed by the likes of Ruben Guerreiro, Javier Romo, Pablo Castrillo, Einer Rubio, Jefferson Cepeda, Davide Formolo and Pelayo Sánchez Mayo would be in a decent spot - they just don't have viable leaders beyond Mas at this stage unless Iván Romeo turns into more than we expect.

There is some light at the end of the tunnel, though. The women's team is run far better, and has brought in some veteran leadership (van Vleuten, Reusser) as well as being able to attract quality both in terms of talent which is still young enough to be offering peak years to the team (Lippert, Mackaij) and being able to secure the signatures of young potential stars coming through development (Ferguson, Ostiz, the Ruíz twins). Sure, there could be a bit of humour to be had out of it in terms of, much like has been joked at times about the Ferrari F1 team, "the less Italian they get, the more successful they are", and the same could be said about the comparatively less Spanish feel of the Movistar women, with a lot of the Spanish journeywomen of the early days jettisoned and retaining only those like Sheyla Gutiérrez and Sara Martín, and the hiring in of overseas leadership instead of relying on home talents - but at the same time, a lot of this has been helped by the fact that instead of the rather set-in-his-ways Eusebio Unzué, the women's team is largely operated by his son Sebastián, in conjunction with a small but tight-knit group of helpers including Jorge Sanz - who moved across from the men's team in 2019 - and former men's team rider Pablo Lastras, who is the best DS the team has and splits time across both mens' and womens' teams. Sebas Unzué is only 33 and the average age of the staff for the women's team is around 40, whereas Alexis Gandia is the only staffer for the men's team below that age.
 
I don't really care about Almeida here. It is more a general look of doooshyness, and word gets around. I just think it is a good general rule - don't ride like a doooosh
They are pros. Already too few have the balls to suck wheel.

No one owns his competitors anything, so you sometimes have to sweet the deal to align interests. Like making it clear that cooperators receive gifts (unfortunately not practical any longer to pay off other riders with money).

Almeida wants it both ways, and if anything I think he had the far worse look today of the two. The only thing he gave generously to Pidcock was insults.
 
They are pros. Already too few have the balls to suck wheel.

No one owns his competitors anything, so you sometimes have to sweet the deal to align interests. Like making it clear that cooperators receive gifts (unfortunately not practical any longer to pay off other riders with money).

Almeida wants it both ways, and if anything I think he had the far worse look today of the two. The only thing he gave generously to Pidcock was insults.
If he is frustrated with Pidcock, especially during the stage, that got to be partly displaced anger at his team and perhaps at himself for being in such poor position to respond to the attack.
 
Ohh who is that little British man, the little mule who shows he can, it’s Tommy Pidcock.

Pidcocks time to shine. He’ll make the leap from the teenies to the tens.
Bernal will rediscover himself. I put him to be third but can it happen probably not.
Vingo will win, how boring
Top ten

Vingegaard
Almeida
Carapaz
Aysuo
Bernal
Tiberi
Pelizzari
Gall
Pidders
Jorgensen
The top ten list isn’t looking too terrible, of course we didn’t know Carapaz won’t be there. It’s safe to say Ayuso has let us all down.
Bernal only needs to gain a few seconds.

But, look at Tom Pidcock exceeding all our expectations, WOW! 😯
 
People trashing Vingegaard in the TdF threads. Here you go, this is Jonas Vingegaard. No multi mountain stages, no gradients, but when he gets it, it's done.

I'm glad you don't find a dominator rider boring or he is killing a race.It's funny you remember what people say in other races, because in other races you're constantly complaining about dominance, and this Vuelta is going to be dominated.As you've been told, he didn't do it in the Tour, he didn't do it against Pogacar. Pogacar attacks everyone, including VDP in San Remo, even if he loses.

But if we're going to remember what's said in other races, I'm really glad you no longer find it boring when a cyclist dominates a race.
When Vingegaard wins his fifth stage in this Vuelta, I suppose some people will also say different things than what they said in the Tour.
 
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Pidcock explains that Almeida was too strong and he couldn't give him any turns.

It's amazing how many riders are permanently strong enough to follow pace and chase down moves but not strong enough to contribute.

If you sit behind another rider, the drag resistence is reduced, and thus you have to push less power to propel you at the same velocity. It thus requires less effort to maintain a certain pace if you are not riding in front.
 
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I'm glad you don't find a dominator rider boring or he is killing a race.It's funny you remember what people say in other races, because in other races you're constantly complaining about dominance, and this Vuelta is going to be dominated.As you've been told, he didn't do it in the Tour, he didn't do it against Pogacar. Pogacar attacks everyone, including VDP in San Remo, even if he loses.

But if we're going to remember what's said in other races, I'm really glad you no longer find it boring when a cyclist dominates a race.
When Vingegaard wins his fifth stage in this Vuelta, I suppose some people will also say different things than what they said in the Tour.
Buddy that is a copypasta. I also said multiple times during this thread this was horrendous for the race.

So as per usual on the cyclingnews forum, somebody thinks they can gotcha the Rickmeister and that someone is completely wrong.
 
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I'm glad you don't find a dominator rider boring or he is killing a race.It's funny you remember what people say in other races, because in other races you're constantly complaining about dominance, and this Vuelta is going to be dominated.As you've been told, he didn't do it in the Tour, he didn't do it against Pogacar. Pogacar attacks everyone, including VDP in San Remo, even if he loses.

But if we're going to remember what's said in other races, I'm really glad you no longer find it boring when a cyclist dominates a race.
When Vingegaard wins his fifth stage in this Vuelta, I suppose some people will also say different things than what they said in the Tour.
I still have to see Jonas beating MVDP in classics, what a sight.
 
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Exactly.

We can add: People praising Vingegaard for dominating, the same people who do nothing but cry that dominances are boring.

People contradicting themselves criticizing others.
Difference being vinge was clever and took an opportunity (uae out of Position) and fought hard to gain 25 Seconds or something. Pog just decides "i guess i'll go now" and gains 13 min. Seems clear whats more exciting for non-fans of the riders
 
Difference being vinge was clever and took an opportunity (uae out of Position) and fought hard to gain 25 Seconds or something. Pog just decides "i guess i'll go now" and gains 13 min. Seems clear whats more exciting for non-fans of the riders
Now, being the strongest is being clever. Vingegaard won because he's the strongest.
But other races are boring, this one isn't, and on top of that, not being the strongest is clever.

Double talk about the same thing.

How the discourse changes depending on the winner. It's the same all year.
 
Just a Pogacar "disliker"... this opinion would change a lot if Remco went for UAE.

says the armstrong fan (I mean seriously?! Cannot take anything u say seriously now that you devulged that tidbit! LOL!). no shocker that u support uae (and $%#@! performances).

tbh, my dislike has absolutely nothing to do with even Almeida for that matter.

all things uae, tho...

u would have hit the nail on the head there.
 
says the armstrong fan (I mean seriously?! Cannot take anything u say seriously now that you devulged that tidbit! LOL!). no shocker that u support uae (and $%#@! performances).

tbh, my dislike has absolutely nothing to do with even Almeida for that matter.

all things uae, tho...

u would have hit the nail on the head there.
Maybe you are too young but LA was the most popular rider 20 years ago...