Vuelta a Espana Stage 2: La Nucía - Playas de Orihuela 175.5 km

[Parrulo]

Shack fail.

126 202 BUSCHE, Matthew RSH + 44''
158 204 KLÖDEN, Andreas RSH + 1' 18'

bruynnel said on an interview that brajkovic was number 1 and machado was number 2. the rest can save themselves and try for a stage win.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Geniez lost 6.44... there go his hopes of a top 15.

Crap Hope he'll show himself anyway

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I think people need to see him in a real sprint against top guys to make a judgement. The top 10 shows pretty conclusively that it was not a normal bunch sprint.

Guardini definately couldn't have got 3rd today, but my fundamental bias against power sprinters makes me think he'd take Kittel on a proper sprint.

Whats your problem with power sprinters? Also: whats a proper sprint?

Kittel btw. did beat Guardini twice in proper sprints. They only matched up 4 Times. 2 Wins Kittel 2 Wins Guardini.

 

[Ferminal]

195 only accounted for.

Goss is one.

Sorry, my bad (CTRL + F failed me).

The abandons page isn't showing anything for me?

 

[LukeSchmid]

Were there 3 withdrawals today?

 

[Jamsque]

Because he gave up on GC

Are you basing this on anything or just mad at Wiggo for being rubbish?

 

[ingsve]

Geniez lost 6.44... there go his hopes of a top 15.

Well, he was nowhere to be seen in the climbs in Burgos so his shape is perhaps npt the best.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Are you basing this on anything or just mad at Wiggo for being rubbish?

Considering how the stage finish went, I don't think 13 seconds is an Indicator for anything but maybe not so wise positioning.

 

[cineteq]

Are you basing this on anything or just mad at Wiggo for being rubbish?

I'm basing this on his performance yesterday, thus for being rubbish.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

I'm basing this on his performance yesterday, thus for being rubbish.

From what I read Wiggins is supposed to be in exeptional shape...
Didn't he drop his teammates yesterday und thus cost them time? I read that somewhere too.

 

[cineteq]

Didn't he drop his teammates yesterday und thus cost them time? I read that somewhere too.

Eureka, that's exactly my point! Why he should've have gotten dropped today.

 

[theyoungest]

Well, he was nowhere to be seen in the climbs in Burgos so his shape is perhaps npt the best.

Geniez is also not really experienced in the WorldTour... although this is really bad, he's probably injured or something.

 

[Waterloo Sunrise]

Whats your problem with power sprinters? Also: whats a proper sprint?

Kittel btw. did beat Guardini twice in proper sprints. They only matched up 4 Times. 2 Wins Kittel 2 Wins Guardini.

My problem with power sprinters is that for the last few years that's been all there is, and the only real punchy sprinter has been beating them with comical ease.

I struggle to ever see Hushovd & Boonen as sprinters - they're just big powerful guys who give it a good crack.

Unless a big guy comes along and can deliver well over 2000W (and I don't think such a rider exists), I don't see how they can beat a smaller guy delivering 1500W in a perfect aerodynamic position.

 

[ScottyMuser]

I'm basing this on his performance yesterday, thus for being rubbish.

Yesterday *his* performance was excellent - the problem was Zandio not realising he was the 5th man after an unlucky crash, and wiggins then having to wait. Thats nothing really to do with Wiggins and more to do with probable language barriers. Take out the probably around 20 secs costs by having to wait for Zandio and Sky come in in the midfield, losing hardly any time to the favourites.

As for today, when Sky came to the front 10km from the end, they shepherded him to the front, and he seemed comfortable in being there; it seems like he just misjudged his position on the hill, not expecting the gap between Anton and the rest of the riders to be enough for them to be classed as a different time, until it was too late. But there were plenty of others who did the same - Sastre, Machado, LLS, Le Mevel all presumably thought they were in the same group for the timings - and Anton and Purito weren't that far ahead of them and could have been unlucky too.

Until we see what happens in stage 4, all we can really say is Wiggins has come in with great form and fitness, but lacking some race sharpness - whether this form/fitness is enough to not lose too much time in the moutains we'll be able to say on Tuesday evening

 

[just some guy]

My problem with power sprinters is that for the last few years that's been all there is, and the only real punchy sprinter has been beating them with comical ease.

I struggle to ever see Hushovd & Boonen as sprinters - they're just big powerful guys who give it a good crack.

Unless a big guy comes along and can deliver well over 2000W (and I don't think such a rider exists), I don't see how they can beat a smaller guy delivering 1500W in a perfect aerodynamic position.

kittel got close in Poland 1800 and something

 

[roundabout]

195 only accounted for.

Goss is one.

Sorry, my bad (CTRL + F failed me).

The abandons page isn't showing anything for me?

Abandons have Goss.

There's also Capecchi missing as far as I can tell

Edit: and Madrazo

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Eureka, that's exactly my point! Why he should've have gotten dropped today.

Well, I thought you'd just be an angry supporter who'd made up a bad performances yesterday cause they didn't Top 5. My bad. You got loads of these guys around here and I'm not having a proper overview who's willing to make objective judgments and who's not.

It might as well been his team who ****ed it up because they didn't get him into position. But I don't see how he's given up on GC based on that.
Remember he used to be a trak not a road guy, and toda it was tricky to stay up front.

 

[Boardslide]

They were, the train was Tony, Cav, Degenkolb all the way, hence Cav was visible so early.

As we thought, from Cav's twitter

"MarkCavendish Mark Cavendish
Hard finish! We were riding for young Degenkolb for jersey, but we couldn't quite get organised. I could only get him to 700m#****leadoutman"

 

[Parrulo]

As we thought, from Cav's twitter

"MarkCavendish Mark Cavendish
Hard finish! We were riding for young Degenkolb for jersey, but we couldn't quite get organised. I could only get him to 700m#****leadoutman"

i love cav's honesty in his tweets. he seems to have a really nice sense of humour

 

[LukeSchmid]

Abandons have Goss.

There's also Capecchi missing as far as I can tell

Edit: and Madrazo

I agree that they are the two others missing.

 

[roundabout]

I agree that they are the two others missing.

Probably hiding in the pack without their transponders. A lot of film to look over for the jury tonight.

 

[LukeSchmid]

Probably hiding in the pack without their transponders. A lot of film to look over for the jury tonight.

Most likely.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

i love cav's honesty in his tweets. he seems to have a really nice sense of humour

Agreed. Twitter normally makes people come across worse, but Cavendish is consistently one of the funnier riders on there.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Madrazo tweets that though he didn't appear in the official classification, he was in the first main group today. Movistar tweet that he was their best-placed finisher.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Remember he used to be a trak not a road guy, and toda it was tricky to stay up front.

Yes, but as well as a pursuiter he was also a Madison world champion, and so given the nature of the Madison I would expect that this would actually help rather than hinder him in terms of placing himself in a pack.