Vuelta a Murcia 2.1 (03/03 to 04/03)

[LaFlorecita]

Quintana reminds me more of this

the difference isn't big

That's... kind of racist.

 

[The Hitch]

fantastic picture. it's amazing he already wins a stagerace like this at age 22. he is a real winner, like rujano despite his shortcomings. his strenghts outweight them and he's mentally so strong and determined

So who is the best? Quintana, Duarte, Betancur, Henao, Uran? Pick one.

Actually rank them in order

 

[The Hitch]

wow. again utter bs. which I come to accept is your norm here. you didn't sene any race then. in castilla y leon he pulled the gas handle a bit and only pozzovivo, anton, baez and atapuma were left in his wheel

As I said, showed nothing.

 

[The Cobra]

Quintana dropped JTL 1.5km after the climb begun. JTL attacked at the foot and Quintana was with him until he was tired of JTL and attacked himself.

JTL was dropped far before the downhill began and was even caught by Poels. Poels dropped JTL in downhill. End of story.
Even JTL has clear limits it sees. Porte from Algarve would have probably killed him too

wow. what a bunch of lies then if true, on the twitter/website whatever of endura.

According to the Movistar press release, Quintana dropped Tiernan-Locke 1.5km from the top of the climb, rather than the bottom.

No what Dekker put wasnt true and if you'd bothered to read the whole thread you'd know that. JTL attacked at the bottom of the climb and no one could touch him apart from Quintana, who refused to do any work before jumping JTL near the top.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

So who is the best? Quintana, Duarte, Betancur, Henao, Uran? Pick one.

Actually rank them in order

in pure climbing quintana is the best followed by duarte. henao and betancourt are fantastic but more suitable to classics and more vulnerable on climbs than quintana especially and duarte. henao is a bigger talent than betancourt though. uran is not a real climber either. we will have to wait how and if he keeps developping. since his crash in germany his progress has been halted somewhat although he was never one of the best climbers in colombia to begin with but in europe that is a lot different of course. see botero for instance

there's also mentality issue. the strongest mentally are quintana and henao no doubt. duarte is pretty good too, betancourt and henao are more simple and especially urna has more the mentality of a helper than of a leader

 

[Libertine Seguros]

No what Dekker put wasnt true and if you'd bothered to read the whole thread you'd know that. JTL attacked at the bottom of the climb and no one could touch him apart from Quintana, who refused to do any work before jumping JTL near the top.

Other reports have said that JTL attacked, Quintana was the only one to go with him, JTL tried to get rid of Quintana a few times but couldn't, then Quintana eventually got rid of him.

That, of course, would be more typical and commendable than if he just sat on for a long time. I remember Burgos '09, when Soler and Mosquera went away; Soler tried to ride Mosquera off his wheel with high tempo, couldn't do it, blew up and Mosquera won. No issue. Same for when Mosquera rode everybody bar a couple off his wheel on Pal in the 2010 Vuelta; Antón then took over to take the win. No issue. If JTL was riding within himself, then perhaps Quintana wouldn't have gone away from him; if JTL was riding to his limit to try to drop Quintana, then it's good defensive riding from Quintana to stay with him. But I can also see why Endura and JTL would be peeved, if they sat on the front all along and then Quintana went and took the win, just as Mosquera was angry with Contador and Leipheimer for sitting on his wheel all the way up Fuentes de Invierno, then popping out of the wheel to take the 1-2 in the last 200m.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

That's... kind of racist.

how is thar racist? if I put a photo of 2 white guys and say they look a like I'm racist too? quintana is really indian

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

No what Dekker put wasnt true and if you'd bothered to read the whole thread you'd know that. JTL attacked at the bottom of the climb and no one could touch him apart from Quintana, who refused to do any work before jumping JTL near the top.

I choose not to believe you. but rather movistar website

 

[LaFlorecita]

how is thar racist? if I put a photo of 2 white guys and say they look a like I'm racist too? quintana is really indian

It's kind of weird to compare him to an "indian" indian just because he's indian. But oh well, that's just my view.

 

[hrotha]

Other than by being Indian, Quintana doesn't look anything like that guy. It's like saying all Chinamen look the same (outdated term used on purpose).

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I just thought the comparison was striking. A 22 year old boy looks exactly liken old Indian

Nothing to do with racism... Why are people so over-sensitive on this subject? I make no difference between people based on skin color or beliefs. You people see ghosts. Maybe it's because you are the one racistic?

 

[El Pistolero]

Besides, Quintana could have some Spanish blood in him anyway.

 

[Andy99]

Besides, Quintana could have some Spanish blood in him anyway.

Let's not go there

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

 

[jens_attacks]

quintana=real deal

he will show up in giro,no?

 

[El Pistolero]

I think it's safe to say now Quintana has very little Spanish blood in him Never seen him without the helm and stuff.

 

[maltiv]

Karpets looks like a monster next to those small climbers

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

He looks like a mass murderer

 

[The Hitch]

in pure climbing quintana is the best followed by duarte. henao and betancourt are fantastic but more suitable to classics and more vulnerable on climbs than quintana especially and duarte. henao is a bigger talent than betancourt though. uran is not a real climber either. we will have to wait how and if he keeps developping. since his crash in germany his progress has been halted somewhat although he was never one of the best climbers in colombia to begin with but in europe that is a lot different of course. see botero for instance

there's also mentality issue. the strongest mentally are quintana and henao no doubt. duarte is pretty good too, betancourt and henao are more simple and especially urna has more the mentality of a helper than of a leader

So who will win the most Grand Tours

He looks like a mass murderer

I dont quite see the connection between being tall and being a mass murderer.

Though Pisti will no doubt come in in a sec with comments about how tall Stalin and mao and hitler were

 

[Fus087]

I would have said he (Karpets) looks like the Golem.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

@the hitch: the long hair with mullet, the stony face, all things combined he looks like a mass murderer

if only tallness was a factor I would be a mass murderer myself you're making awful deductions as of late. Everything ok?

 

[profff]

in pure climbing quintana is the best followed by duarte. henao and betancourt are fantastic but more suitable to classics and more vulnerable on climbs than quintana especially and duarte. henao is a bigger talent than betancourt though. uran is not a real climber either. we will have to wait how and if he keeps developping. since his crash in germany his progress has been halted somewhat although he was never one of the best climbers in colombia to begin with but in europe that is a lot different of course. see botero for instance

there's also mentality issue. the strongest mentally are quintana and henao no doubt. duarte is pretty good too, betancourt and henao are more simple and especially urna has more the mentality of a helper than of a leader

i agree quintana is the best as a climber , followed by duarte. nobody speaks about beltran, born 1990. he is a very strong climber and has progressed a lot in the last 3 years. i think that in colorado with steeper hills he would have astonished everybody.
quintana is also a better rouleur, so more suited for GC in GT.
probably he will be the first colombian to compete for the win in a GT, since uran and henao are with sky that has particular logic in choosing protected riders and duarte is not in a PT team and i am a little concerned about his recovery in a 3 week long race.
we will see if they will be able to break out

i think you are underrating betancourt, which was very impressive as a climber in giro bio and he confirmed his skills in finestre and emilia. he is very lazy and consequentl very variable in performance.i think he is underrated because he has an atypical structure for a colombian climber, with very big legs, very muscled, more similar to a sprinter. next year he will probably be at liquigas, so we will see-

 

[theyoungest]

@the hitch: the long hair with mullet, the stony face, all things combined he looks like an eighties rockstar.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Karpets looks like a monster next to those small climbers

He does, but I would also point out that Jonathán Castroviejo isn't a climber

 

[hrotha]

He does, but I would also point out that Jonathán Castroviejo isn't a climber

Or called "Jonathán", for that matter