Vuelta Production Values

[El Pistolero]

Are you being sracastic as the people who I know who have been to Spain have seen beggers everywhere.

Erm, there are lot's of beggars in all big cities. Ever been to Brussels? Preferably a station. Usually there's like 100 beggars there just sleeping on the floor.

 

[auscyclefan94]

That is true but they Spain was pretty bad. I guess in Australia people are quite oblivious to that. as you don't see very many beggars about in the city.

 

[Arnout]

http://www.voanews.com/english/news...But-Remains-an-Economic-Engine-121273179.html

With an unemployment rate of 22%, no more needs to be said.

The majority of the population could easily watch the Vuelta on TV if they wanted to, at least in the first week when the kids still have vacation. Now going outside to watch the race live is a different story. In scourging heat like in Southern Spain, I wouldn't go outside during those hours either. Which is the biggest reason for the "crappy" crowds so far. Just wait till they reach the Basque Country.

Plus I haven't heard good things about the productivity of Spanish people at work. But that can again be related to the heat there. It slows things down.

You know where that unemployment rate comes from, right? Immigrants among others.

I'm not gonna pretend Spain is economically the most advanced country of Europe, but look at this: http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=LEVEL Workforce productivity above OECD average, above UK for example. Not good, not bad. Certainly not worth the lazy tag you put on them.

But wait, why don't you ask your government to issue an official statement regarding the laziness of Spain?

Oh wait you don't have any.

 

[El Pistolero]

You know where that unemployment rate comes from, right? Immigrants among others.

I'm not gonna pretend Spain is economically the most advanced country of Europe, but look at this: http://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCode=LEVEL Workforce productivity above OECD average, above UK for example. Not good, not bad. Certainly not worth the lazy tag you put on them.

But wait, why don't you ask your government to issue an official statement regarding the laziness of Spain?

Oh wait you don't have any.

Yeah, Spain is the only country in the world which have immigrants

Didn't know immigrants couldn't watch TV by the way. I don't know about you, but 22% of the active population is a lot.

 

[Arnout]

Yeah, Spain is the only country in the world which have immigrants

Look at the map please.

Is Africa closer to Spain or to Belgium

But I'm glad you reacted on the other parts as well.

 

[El Pistolero]

Look at the map please.

Is Africa closer to Spain or to Belgium

But I'm glad you reacted on the other parts as well.

Belgium and the Netherlands are the gateway to Europe. I don't need to look at a map.

Spain: 2011 5,730,667 12.2%
Netherlands: 2011 3.287.706 19.9%

^ Foreign population in each country.

By the way, I never said they were lazy, but the heat in the country must slow them down and the whole Siësta mentality that goes along with it(even if it's not allowed anymore at work).

 

[Arnout]

Really?

http://www.europa-nu.nl/id/vir0eit018xn/nieuws/nieuw_rapport_bevolkingscijfers_eu?ctx=vh1aly4653wh

 

[Duartista]

Spain has always had high structural unemployment, that's why the unemployment rate tends to balloon in recessions. In the past a large proportion of the population relied on seasonal agricultural work, whilst in recent years the economy was powered by an uncontrolled construction boom. Don't blame immigrants - the difference between Spain and Belgium, Holland, the UK, France etc is that most of the immigration has occurred in the last 15 years.

As to the begging discussion - ACF, do you seriously think that people who would otherwise be watching cycling can't because they are out begging?

Edit: El Pistolero, I think you are just repeating northern European cliches about Spaniards being lazy.

 

[Nielsa]

Really?.. I'm watching it on Eursport HD and it's horrible. Not only the colors but the picture as a whole. Looks like they are covering a race from Africa or so..

That's weird. I'm on the Eurosport Nordic network - slightly different programming but the feeds should be the same. On Eurosport HD I get a normal colour palette and quite good images , not as good as TdF but still good.

I'm disappointed too-I've got the season package & looks like the problems is on Universal's end-check out the quality from RTVE:

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/...-4-etapa-baza-sierra-nevada-23-08-11/1180691/

The colours are much more muted on my Eurosport, as well as the Sporza streams and the Dutch Eurosport streams. Btw I hope you were just talking about colour quality, because if your TV feed gives you worse image crispness/quality than that clip you linked, I'm really sorry for you.

 

[Descender]

Well they are either working or begging.

haha man you never fail to deliver.

Back to topic, cycling has never been one of the main sports in Spain I´d say. Football of course is the number one, then tennis/basketball. Some regions in the north like Asturias, Cantabria, Basque Country, there it is popular, and in some other areas like northern Alicante.

But to be honest I don´t see less people on the roads than in previous years.

 

[Thomsena]

I'm disappointed too-I've got the season package & looks like the problems is on Universal's end-check out the quality from RTVE:

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/...-4-etapa-baza-sierra-nevada-23-08-11/1180691/

This is how my Eurosport HD looks like...

 

[nevada]

I was at the tour of catalunya and there was no sign of the tour coming through any of towns prior to its arrival. The first indication was the advanced police outriders.

 

[Fergoose]

UK coverage (ITV4) repeatedly flashing up "we apologise for the picture quality" & "we apologise for the sound quality" statements relating to the feed they have got. I'm not too fussed by the odd breakup and loss, but yeah, I'd have expected better.

 

[khardung la]

Well they are either working or begging.

You are an amazing type, your stupid statements never stop surprising me.

Per capita income of 2010 (in the crisis):

24 Japan 33,805
25 Korea, South 29,836
26 Spain 29,742
27 Israel 29,531
28 Italy 29,392

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

You could say that income distribution is bad in Spain...well, it could be better but is anyway not bad compared to others: Gini coefficient of income inequality (as percentage, the lesser the more equal)

Spain: 34,7
Australia 35,2
Italy 36
UK 36

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Keep in your little world of prejudices, good for you. And please say also that in Japan, South Korea, Israel, Italy or UK they are lazy and beggars, by your high standards.

Yes, I am from Spain.

 

[khardung la]

In Sweden the quality is just fine. The international signal of RTVE is also fine. Maybe the problems in the USA have something to do with the PAL vs NTCS compatibility??

You will not see big cycling crowds in Spain because:

1-There are no big crowds in Spain except in 3-4 areas. the provinces they are crossing now have population densities of between 12-20 people/km2. and most part of the people live in the capitals.

2-The areas they are crossing now are not particularly keen on cycling.

3-It is warm right now, the people have other things to do, many are in the coast during the summer.

4-In Spain you need mountains to congregate crowds. The fans are generally not interested in sprinters and flat stages. Freire is not half popular he would be somewhere else because people in Spain tend to love climbers, not sprinters.

 

[Thomsena]

You are an amazing type, your stupid

Yes, I am from Spain.

Waw, how's Stockholm doing in those high temperatures..?

Hint?.. Look right top corner in your message..

 

[roundabout]

A Spaniard living in Sweden I presume.

 

[Thomsena]

A Spaniard living in Sweden I presume.

No. That's unthinkable. Simply can't happen. No.

 

[khardung la]

Waw, how's Stockholm doing in those high temperatures..?

Hint?.. Look right top corner in your message..

It happens that I am born and raised in Spain, and I moved to Sweden.

Not Stockholm, believe me there are other cities and villages in Sweden.

Your point being...?

 

[Thomsena]

Waw. Really have to be careful writing on this forum.. No point what so ever. Just found it interesting that you said you were from spain when it said something different in the top right corner.

 

[rickshaw]

Broadcast quality

The topic was actually broadcast quality, not whether Spaniards are lazy, or there are more immigrants in Belgium of wherever.... lets chill. BTW when I lived in India and the temps hit 120F everyboday who could afford it was pretty lazy.

But

The picture quality seems to be getting a bit better, as someone else suggested. Do they just buy a straight video feed, or could they maybe pay by bandwidth? Could be some issues with sampling rates and format conversions. Guess we'll see. One thing for sure is I will think hard before signing up for a whole season of this (is a free trial for now).

And what about "Steve" and "Todd"? Do they seem to be just repeating the obvious over and over? Or filling dead air? "They REALLY have to drink a lot of water when its this hot!"

PS: where you are "from" depends on where you are asked. In Malmo if someone asked he'd probably say Spain. On this forum, it is Sweden.

 

[auscyclefan94]

You are an amazing type, your stupid statements never stop surprising me.

Per capita income of 2010 (in the crisis):

24 Japan 33,805
25 Korea, South 29,836
26 Spain 29,742
27 Israel 29,531
28 Italy 29,392

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

You could say that income distribution is bad in Spain...well, it could be better but is anyway not bad compared to others: Gini coefficient of income inequality (as percentage, the lesser the more equal)

Spain: 34,7
Australia 35,2
Italy 36
UK 36

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_income_equality

Keep in your little world of prejudices, good for you. And please say also that in Japan, South Korea, Israel, Italy or UK they are lazy and beggars, by your high standards.

Yes, I am from Spain.

I never said they are all beggers or lazy. Learn to read, moron. If you read El Pistelero's article, the employment rates figures like other figures were warped accroding to anecdotal evidence and that there are many more unemployed people in Spain than figures truly stated. Clearly this is the case based around your argument based around the measure of income inequality. Even if we used the figures about unemployment that Spain's government used then they would be over 4 times higher. Australia's unemployment rate is 5.1% compared to 22%. According to some reports uemployment rates would be double that amount. It is much more likely that you are going to have a high income inequality difference in Australia as Australia is a rich and economically strong country which is far stronger than Spain.

Maybe my beggars comment was a tad stupid but my comments were not based on prejudices. Just because someone says something against your country does not mean they are racist or have some sort of prejudice against them. Use your fricken brain.

 

[Mellow Velo]

I see ACF has been making a few more friends again.

I don't know how the US fits into this argument, buuuuutttt.......
...........if you want a real example of truly poor production values
and total technical inadequacies, look no further than the current
Tour of Colorado.
They are averaging about 70% "live" pictures from their live coverage,
and much of that suffers from picture break up and pixelation.
Yesterday, according to the production company, this was due to......wait for it
.........sunshine on the plane's wing.
The day before icing on the same place.

They couldn't manage any intermediate timings and had a clock at the finish that appeared to add a random number of seconds, once a rider crossed the line.

Eurosport's Carlton Kirby, who usually worships at the alter of US efficiency, has now begun to treat the coverage as a thing of ridicule; the butt of many a joke.

Now, as far as trying to pin the culture stereotype pin this donkey; the two adjectives I would use to described the US? Wealthy and workaholic.

 

[Spaniard]

By the way, I never said they were lazy, but the heat in the country must slow them down and the whole Siësta mentality that goes along with it(even if it's not allowed anymore at work).

Siesta and being lazy has the same connection than being chinese and having a red car, you know, nothing. And saying the spanish are lazies is like saying the germans are racists

Some of you guys have a very distorsionated vision of the average spaniard , we just take the siesta in summer when we work from 8:00 to 15:00 so we can take it after having lunch, but just during 3 months. Another thing is that the average spaniard doesn't like bullfighting and doesn't care about religion

Hearing that we are lazy ****es me off and you don't know how much, my father is an anesthetist and he works more than 60 hours a week, I'm a systems engineer and i usually12/14 hours a day to deliver projects in time.

There are many people in Spain who want a job, I have friends who are engineers , architects without a job or working frustrated for a miserable salary , so seriously don't begin with the lazy spanish stereotype because it's totally false.

 

[rantanplan]

I would like to see some o forum people working in the siesta time in Sevilla outside, instead in a officce ....

Even for spanish that came from the north (like me) people from Andalucia is called "vagos" (lazy people), until we visit the south in summer....