WADA: Armstrong investigation to drop "bomb" shortly.

[Berzin]

The reality is Novitzky has been overwhelmed by the number of people who have come forward with information and offers to testify. No need to threaten, plenty of people want to tell the truth when it comes to Armstrong.

That's funny. I heard the same thing thing from someone with insider knowledge. I guess you, Race Radio, would also fall into the that category.

But having multiple witnesses corroborating a conspiracy isn't evidence, as far as Saprtacus is concerned.

I got news for you, Spartacus-you coming on this website to be Armstrong's ad-hoc defense attorney is the height of ridiculousness.

There is nothing in it for you to argue the finer points of jurisprudence, of which you know absolutely anything. And even if you did, no one here would listen to you.

Take this to heart, brother-no one cares what you know about the law.

Novitzky is the one calling the shots. He would know better than you, and so far it's been smooth sailing for the prosecution.

Because no one is going to risk jail time to protect Armstrong. The faster you come to this realization the quicker the doctors will lower the dosages on your meds, Spartacus.

 

[kurtinsc]

Okay... a lot of arguing going on here so it's tough for me to wade through it.

Has a bomb dropped yet? If not, does anyone know what it might be?

 

[scribe]

Okay... a lot of arguing going on here so it's tough for me to wade through it.

Has a bomb dropped yet? If not, does anyone know what it might be?

Dunno. Sort of weird waiting for Contador's sentence to come rolling in at the same time.

 

[Tubeless]

You use hard evidence. You know, produce a body, dna, fingerprints, audio, video, a paper trail, whatever. If a crime is serious enough to care about, there should be real evidence of its existence. To rely on making other people get involved and talk about what they saw, people who were not victims but simply disinterested witnesses or other "criminals", who don't even care to testify (until the are forced to) is to basically admit that the crime itself is so obscure that the authorities themselves can't find any hard evidence of it. And if you've threatened these criminals with charges that you otherwise would never file against them, in order to get their testimony, then that also just seems desperate and shows you are "manufacturing" a case instead of pursuing those that are right out in the open and obvious. There are plenty of those crimes out there that the authorities should be handling first, no?

And speaking of victims, when do we hear from them? I mean, traditionally, in a fraud case, there are tons of victims coming forward to talk about how they were victimized and these accounts form a core element of the prosecution. Is there going to be a point where we get to this in this case? If not, what does that say about its relevancy and the attention being paid to it when there are tons of other cases out there that do have real victims that need to be made whole first?

So if I execute the perfect victimless crime and leave no physical evidence, and you're the prosecutor, I should never worry about getting caught?

Can you mention the victim(s) for the following crimes:

- tax evasion
- illegal distribution of PDEs
- wire fraud
- obstruction of justice
- perjury

 

[python]

Okay... a lot of arguing going on here so it's tough for me to wade through it.

Has a bomb dropped yet? If not, does anyone know what it might be?

i think it did. in a strange way

check out astana thread in the 'clean' forum.

gryvko seemed to imply bribes and kickback in reference to armstrong when referring to 'contador case'

 

[Kennf1]

Okay... a lot of arguing going on here so it's tough for me to wade through it.

Has a bomb dropped yet? If not, does anyone know what it might be?

Short answer: no, and no. Or if someone does know, they're not telling.

 

[thehog]

Okay... a lot of arguing going on here so it's tough for me to wade through it.

Has a bomb dropped yet? If not, does anyone know what it might be?

I heard Thursday.

 

[sagard]

What is the over/under line on the number of days Armstrong spends in jail?

 

[thehog]

What is the over/under line on the number of days Armstrong spends in jail?

Probably just put a tweet ban on him. Will be like torture.

 

[buckwheat]

You are making a lot of presumptions about what has been said in a closed process. You have no idea what McIlvane said or didn't say'

Also it is pretty silly to call the defence case laughable when you don't even know what charges will be laid if any.

You will obviously win brownie point with people like Python though for saying what he wants hear.

I wasn't in the Grand Jury to hear McIlvaine.

Everyone knows what she has said previously because it's on tape and she said what happened to James Startt.

Part of her history of erratic behavior is also on tape regarding the Andreu's.

You realize that the people who are investigating this are as close to certain as humanly possible that Armstrong is a drug cheat at the very least?

The only defense case there could possibly be is that Armstrong didn't cheat.

Are you suggesting he's being framed?

Dude, It's time to come back to the reality based universe.

Most of the time in life, things are as they appear to be. Someone who is a casual observer, may believe the Armstrong propaganda.

WTF is your excuse?

 

[MarkvW]

Gag Me

You know what, i'm gonna take real offence to that remark. How dare you make such ill informed comments, on something you know nothing of.
You hypocrite.
Lance Armstrong has always stated, since his return, that he will do all he can for the cancer community. What he is doing now, is just that.
As a cancer survivor myself, I find your comments disgusting. And as a human, tell us, what it is you do, that makes you so much better. I'll leave a small section at the bottom for your response.

Lance's LIVESTRONG brand is a marketing device. He uses it to sell stuff (look at the ads). He's blended his profit-seeking activities with his charitable activities to a point where it is impossible to figure out where one ends and the other begins. He's fair game, buddy.

 

[Berzin]

I heard Thursday.

Thursday for news about Armstrong or Contador?

 

[buckwheat]

Victims?

You use hard evidence. You know, produce a body, dna, fingerprints, audio, video, a paper trail, whatever. If a crime is serious enough to care about, there should be real evidence of its existence. To rely on making other people get involved and talk about what they saw, people who were not victims but simply disinterested witnesses or other "criminals", who don't even care to testify (until the are forced to) is to basically admit that the crime itself is so obscure that the authorities themselves can't find any hard evidence of it. And if you've threatened these criminals with charges that you otherwise would never file against them, in order to get their testimony, then that also just seems desperate and shows you are "manufacturing" a case instead of pursuing those that are right out in the open and obvious. There are plenty of those crimes out there that the authorities should be handling first, no?

And speaking of victims, when do we hear from them? I mean, traditionally, in a fraud case, there are tons of victims coming forward to talk about how they were victimized and these accounts form a core element of the prosecution. Is there going to be a point where we get to this in this case? If not, what does that say about its relevancy and the attention being paid to it when there are tons of other cases out there that do have real victims that need to be made whole first?

I keep posting this because there are people, such as you, who just don't get the message because your emotional attachment to a fraud gets in the way.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/stateoftheunion2004.htm

To help children make right choices, they need good examples. Athletics play such an important role in our society, but, unfortunately, some in professional sports are not setting much of an example. The use of performance-enhancing drugs like steroids in baseball, football, and other sports is dangerous, and it sends the wrong message -- that there are shortcuts to accomplishment, and that performance is more important than character. So tonight I call on team owners, union representatives, coaches, and players to take the lead, to send the right signal, to get tough, and to get rid of steroids now.

Victims,

Impressionable children, Cycling Fans, Cancer Sufferer's, Charity Contributors, Charities, American Taxpayers, Competitors of Armstrong; Trek, Nike, Oakley and any other product Armstrong endorsed.

No doubt Greg LeMond, Frankie Andreu are victims.

Cycling journalists who tried to report the truth about Armstrong, who then threatened their livelihood.

At best you're a blind man, at worst you may exhibit some of the sociopathic tendencies Armstrong exemplifies.

 

[buckwheat]

Lance Armstrong has always stated??

You know what, i'm gonna take real offence to that remark. How dare you make such ill informed comments, on something you know nothing of.
You hypocrite.
Lance Armstrong has always stated, since his return, that he will do all he can for the cancer community. What he is doing now, is just that.
As a cancer survivor myself, I find your comments disgusting. And as a human, tell us, what it is you do, that makes you so much better. I'll leave a small section at the bottom for your response.

The sickest thing of the whole fraud is that Pharmstrong has exploited credulous victims of cancer.

You do realize that relying on what Lance Armstrong has always stated, is a recipe for victimization?

OJ has always stated that he didn't kill his wife.

Nixon had stated that "I am not a crook."

WTH do these self serving statements actually mean to you?

BTW, my new pick up line, which I've always stated, is that "I'm heavyweight champion of the world!" I weigh a buck seventy btw.

True story, a lunatic I know in college told a girl he was Kirk Gibson. It worked for a couple of dates until she told her brother she was dating a guy named "Kirk Gibson."

You don't believe everything you hear, do you?

 

[Polish]

All Aboard the Angry Train

Victims,

Impressionable children, Cycling Fans, Cancer Sufferer's, Charity Contributors, Charities, American Taxpayers, Competitors of Armstrong; Trek, Nike, Oakley and any other product Armstrong endorsed.

No doubt Greg LeMond, Frankie Andreu are victims.

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Lance is victimizing impressionable children & Cancer Sufferer's etc?
Yikes, Lance is a bad bad man.

I do think you are painting with too broad a brush, however, when you say "Cycling Fans" are victims. Not the fanboys, lol, just the haters:

Feeling Oppressed/Victimized

The problem with this feeling of victimization is that when you have the belief that this feeling of anger does not originate in you, there is no longer a reason to change the feeling in you.

The Angry Crusade

And so, the angry person goes on a never-ending crusade to right one wrong after another, not realizing that the anger is originating in him, and therefore trying to force people and situations to stop him from feeling angry.

http://www.4therapy.com/consumer/conditions/article/7547/112/Effectively+Coping+with+Anger
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[buckwheat]

Lance is victimizing impressionable children & Cancer Sufferer's etc?
Yikes, Lance is a bad bad man.

I do think you are painting with too broad a brush, however, when you say "Cycling Fans" are victims. Not the fanboys, lol, just the haters:

Feeling Oppressed/Victimized

The problem with this feeling of victimization is that when you have the belief that this feeling of anger does not originate in you, there is no longer a reason to change the feeling in you.

The Angry Crusade

And so, the angry person goes on a never-ending crusade to right one wrong after another, not realizing that the anger is originating in him, and therefore trying to force people and situations to stop him from feeling angry.

http://www.4therapy.com/consumer/conditions/article/7547/112/Effectively+Coping+with+Anger
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I guess the fanboys are getting their cycling porn money's worth.

My irritation over the Pharmstrong bs is the cause of his criminal activity?

Are you part of a criminal enterprise?

 

[flicker]

I guess the fanboys are getting their cycling porn money's worth.

My irritation over the Pharmstrong bs is the cause of his criminal activity?

Are you part of a criminal enterprise?

buc, once the anti-christ Armstrong and his minions Carmicheal and Bruyneel are locked up are you and your crew ready to take on this bad boy :Mikhail Prokhorov? He is the new owner of the New Jersey Nets NBA team and he is a Ruskie and a gangster.

 

[eleven]

On one hand you say there isn't boatloads of evidence - and follow that up with the evidence is conflicting? Which is it?

Those two are most certainly not mutually exclusive.

Does every team sell bikes to fund the team doping programme?

Trek hasn't knowledge of what CSE / Tailwind used the revenue for - only that the bikes were sold. Bikes are sold all the time. The simple act of selling the bikes is certainly not illegal. The bikes are owned by the company and they have the right to do as they wish with them.

 

[flicker]

I guess the fanboys are getting their cycling porn money's worth.

My irritation over the Pharmstrong bs is the cause of his criminal activity?

Are you part of a criminal enterprise?

Here is some more unfairness for you, the cops who arrested"Hurricane Carter" and the D. A.s who put him behind bars for years.

 

[buckwheat]

buc, once the anti-christ Armstrong and his minions Carmicheal and Bruyneel are locked up are you and your crew ready to take on this bad boy :Mikhail Prokhorov? He is the new owner of the New Jersey Nets NBA team and he is a Ruskie and a gangster.

Here is some more unfairness for you, the cops who arrested"Hurricane Carter" and the D. A.s who put him behind bars for years.

WTF are you babbling about?

 

[flicker]

WTF are you babbling about?

Prokhorov is written about in the October Mens Journal. He is part of the Russian Mob. He just bought an NBA team.

Hurricane Carter was a middle weight world contender who was unfairly convicted of murder. He spent the time he could have been holding a world boxing title rotting behind bars on a beefed up charge.

Both involved in sports both unfair both involving criminal activity.

Just thought I would share as we are speaking of crime. Now we can go back to Armstrong. Check those guys out though. Interesting.

 

[thehog]

You are making a lot of presumptions about what has been said in a closed process. You have no idea what McIlvane said or didn't say'

Also it is pretty silly to call the defence case laughable when you don't even know what charges will be laid if any.

You will obviously win brownie point with people like Python though for saying what he wants hear.

I'm with you. I believe in you.

I firmly believe that Lance never doped. Even during the "dope era" he was clean. I believe he never pressured his team-mates to dope. If they did dope, they doped alone. They also started to dope when they left USPS. Lance paid all his taxes on time and to the US government. He never once tried to find creative ways of avoiding tax. I believe in Livestrong. I believe in the clear delineation between .org and .com. I believe in Lances books. They're all true. I believe, I believe. I believe in the promises he made to cancer patients. He's in inspiration. I believe in Nike. I believe in awareness.

The French hate him because he's American. They made things up like he was a doper because they were jealous. I know many others were jealous. They also said he was doper. And a fraud. What was Lance on? He was on his bike busting his a5s 6 hours a day. What are you on?

I believe. It's all true. Really. It's true. There's not one shread of evidence that Lance doped or did any of the things Floyd said he did. Floyd is bitter and twisted and is trying ti destroy cycling. Lance is clean. He's never tested positive. Ever. What more do you want? He passed the tests. I believe in Lance.

 

[peloton]

I'm with you. I believe in you.

I firmly believe that Lance never doped. Even during the "dope era" he was clean. I believe he never pressured his team-mates to dope. If they did dope, they doped alone. They also started to dope when they left USPS. Lance paid all his taxes on time and to the US government. He never once tried to find creative ways of avoiding tax. I believe in Livestrong. I believe in the clear delineation between .org and .com. I believe in Lances books. They're all true. I believe, I believe. I believe in the promises he made to cancer patients. He's in inspiration. I believe in Nike. I believe in awareness.

The French hate him because he's American. They made things up like he was a doper because they were jealous. I know many others were jealous. They also said he was doper. And a fraud. What was Lance on? He was on his bike busting his a5s 6 hours a day. What are you on?

I believe. It's all true. Really. It's true. There's not one shread of evidence that Lance doped or did any of the things Floyd said he did. Floyd is bitter and twisted and is trying ti destroy cycling. Lance is clean. He's never tested positive. Ever. What more do you want? He passed the tests. I believe in Lance.

lol, well played thehog!

 

[flicker]

WTF are you babbling about?

Listen to the song Hurricane by Bob Dylan on the album Desire.

 

[flicker]

I'm with you. I believe in you.

I firmly believe that Lance never doped. Even during the "dope era" he was clean. I believe he never pressured his team-mates to dope. If they did dope, they doped alone. They also started to dope when they left USPS. Lance paid all his taxes on time and to the US government. He never once tried to find creative ways of avoiding tax. I believe in Livestrong. I believe in the clear delineation between .org and .com. I believe in Lances books. They're all true. I believe, I believe. I believe in the promises he made to cancer patients. He's in inspiration. I believe in Nike. I believe in awareness.

The French hate him because he's American. They made things up like he was a doper because they were jealous. I know many others were jealous. They also said he was doper. And a fraud. What was Lance on? He was on his bike busting his a5s 6 hours a day. What are you on?

I believe. It's all true. Really. It's true. There's not one shread of evidence that Lance doped or did any of the things Floyd said he did. Floyd is bitter and twisted and is trying ti destroy cycling. Lance is clean. He's never tested positive. Ever. What more do you want? He passed the tests. I believe in Lance.

Floyd is taking care of Floyd good on Floyd. As for the French they enjoyed watching Armstrongs epic wins. He had a great farewell audience by the French in his last tour. Oh well maybe Lance will be back if the dope testers are able to run a clean race in 2011. Lance rode it clean this year as he has been riding throughout his entire carer.