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TheArbiter said:
Most people who write books lose money whilst they are writing it. But they see the big pay off when it comes out as worth it.

I don't personally think money has gott much to do with it. I think Walsh has now been landed with the 'anti doping man' tag and as such has to always be cynical about everything. It's what people expect and he is giving them what they want. What kind of twit would he look like if he said the passports have cleaned it up.

But going back to Lance. If we are to take your proposition that he doped for all his wins as fact for a second. Why would he still have beaten all the other top riders, especially in the early years before the EPO test, who were doping too? Doesn't make a lot of sense. And why wouldn't he win the Tour before kemo?

You can try that Ferrari crap, but these other guys had professional labs and clincs working for them too.

In the documentary that Frankie Andreu appeared in, who used EPO himself, he said it does NOT turn you into a champion.
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Ferrari was the best, IS the best, as one Festina team doc pointed out. However, Lance was also clearly a very good responder to drug therapy. Everybody responds differently to diff drugs.

And heck, not all the team could even blood dope with their own blood after 2001. Who knows, there could have been a real "champion" in the 50-100 places if they could have gotten 600cc of packed cells every 5 days during the 'tour.'

Now you will write of my V02 max argument (Lance's undoped V02 max, and it IS his undoped!!) but a few years from now if your still here you might have to get eaten by your own words. V02 max is VERY very important when it comes to Grand Tours. The most you can gain with really good pedaling efficiency is a couple of percent max. The rider with the highest V02 max in the world won the 'tour' this year.
 
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Ferrari was the best, IS the best, as one Festina team doc pointed out. However, Lance was also clearly a very good responder to drug therapy. Everybody responds differently to diff drugs.

And heck, not all the team could even blood dope with their own blood after 2001. Who knows, there could have been a real "champion" in the 50-100 places if they could have gotten 600cc of packed cells every 5 days during the 'tour.'

Now you will write of my V02 max argument (Lance's undoped V02 max, and it IS his undoped!!) but a few years from now if your still here you might have to get eaten by your own words. V02 max is VERY very important when it comes to Grand Tours. The most you can gain with really good pedaling efficiency is a couple of percent max. The rider with the highest V02 max in the world won the 'tour' this year.
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People may respond slightly differently, but I don't buy it would make the difference between seven tour wins and mid field. That's just unrealistic. No, I think if there was a way to make it 100% sure that nobody could dope, Armstrong would still have won most of his tours, if not all. Third at 38 proves that.

Frankie Andreu: "It doesn't make you into a champion, but it helps"
 
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The mental approach is really important too for successful Tour riders. I think the cancer experience did play a roll in that.
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He definitely had the most cutting edge medical experts giving him the most cutting edge rehabilitation therapy available. We can definitely agree on that.
 
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As usual Walsh is correct. The UCI insured that few would have confidence in the biopassport when they screwed around for 18 months.
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It will be interesting to see what the UCI will say about Walsh's comments.
 
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The ToF is the hardest Tour in the world. He won it seven years in a row. It's up to other riders if they want to enter the less hard races and use that as an excuse for not winning the Tof.
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Ahhh ... that wasn't actually what I was saying ... But I'll take the fact that you can't respond to my post as you acknowledging my point ... thanks.

And you're also not right about the Tour being the hardest of the grand tours. I know riders who've done all three races and they tell that the title of "hardest race" for any year depends on the course and the field in that year. In fact, more often than not, the course for the Giro is harder than the Tour - especially due to steeper and longer climbs.

Gotta ask - you don't actually believe what you post do you? You're just doing this because you're enjoying the reactions you get from most people? You're just trying to fill the role of everyone's annoying younger sibling, ay?
 
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Ahhh ... that wasn't actually what I was saying ... But I'll take the fact that you can't respond to my post as you acknowledging my point ... thanks.

And you're also not right about the Tour being the hardest of the grand tours. I know riders who've done all three races and they tell that the title of "hardest race" for any year depends on the course and the field in that year. In fact, more often than not, the course for the Giro is harder than the Tour - especially due to steeper and longer climbs.

Gotta ask - you don't actually believe what you post do you? You're just doing this because you're enjoying the reactions you get from most people? You're just trying to fill the role of everyone's annoying younger sibling, ay?
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People say the Giro is harder because there are more mountain stages, and in a technical sense that's true - but everybody knows the reality is the ToF is the hardest one to win due to the competition. All the best tour riders in the world put everything into trying to win that race every year. This is not the case with the Giro and Vuelta, which is usually targeted by the ones who don't fancy their chances in the ToF. The winner of the ToF is usually regarded as the best Tour rider in the world, unless they can't race that year due to a banning, i.e contador 2007.
 
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Ahhh ... that wasn't actually what I was saying ... But I'll take the fact that you can't respond to my post as you acknowledging my point ... thanks.

And you're also not right about the Tour being the hardest of the grand tours. I know riders who've done all three races and they tell that the title of "hardest race" for any year depends on the course and the field in that year. In fact, more often than not, the course for the Giro is harder than the Tour - especially due to steeper and longer climbs.

Gotta ask - you don't actually believe what you post do you? You're just doing this because you're enjoying the reactions you get from most people? You're just trying to fill the role of everyone's annoying younger sibling, ay?
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We all have different standards of 'hardest' GT. The vuelta has climbs so severe that professionals, apparently a lot of them, put on a triple chain ring.

I don't know how many, if any do that in the Giro or the tdf. Some of the grades in last years vuelta had portions in excess of 23%.

But the tdf is far and away the only bicycle race in the world that non-cyclists even know about. It's the Lance Armstrong of bicycle races.
 
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We all have different standards of 'hardest' GT. The vuelta has climbs so severe that professionals, apparently a lot of them, put on a triple chain ring.
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I heard they have dinner plates on the back ring.
 
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Walsh is on the mark and he didn't even touch on Bordry's comments about the UCI doing a sloppy job running the controls at this year's Tour.
 
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Well firstly, it is in Walsh's interests to keep the doping-speculation-game going, because he has made a career out of it. So we expect nothing less from him. He will always find a way to claim that cheating is still rife.

However he does have a point about the UCI. It is crap that they refuse to go back and retest the Giro 2008 samples. Why would they not do this? It's also true that Contador's performance - the best climber and the best time trialist, and able to use higher power than Armstrong ever did - at the ToF does raise some questions, though it's never nice to see a rider smeared when there is no proof.
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No? So why did you just do it?

Is there any page out of the Armstrong PR playbook you don't use posting here?

It's just not credible that someone comes on a forum and just repeats the PR blitz verbatim.
 
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No? So why did you just do it?

Is there any page out of the Armstrong PR playbook you don't use posting here?

It's just not credible that someone comes on a forum and just repeats the PR blitz verbatim.
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he is trolling
 
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The guy certainly has quite a bit of credibility. Why would you say that? Thats not very nice.
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it is very easy to throw charges at someone based on speculation. **** cheney said there were WMD'S, (still looking for those) people believe what they want.
journalism holds itself to a high standard, and i don't think this meets that level.:cool:

the forum filtered out the former vp's name...LOL
 
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Eva Maria said:
Your faith in the UCI to "Bring Down" Armstrong is misguided. The evidence is as overwhelming as the UCI is ineffectual.
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my faith in the uci? i do not recall saying anyhting about the uci. i will now. they do seem
to be an arbitrary, confused organization. like they can not get out of there own way sometimes.
not to put to fine a point on things, but until you are a positive test for doping, you are not doping.
under the current regime.
that is the way it is. we guess and speculate about who did/does/will/won't, but is it not anything
but opinion(highly informed it may be). and my opinion is mine, so i say keep it going folks.
 
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