what are we entitled to expect from Roman Kreuziger?

[KazakhNeRider]

btw - IMHO Roman has quite big potential in Ardennes as well

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I dont think so, he wasn't BORN INTO a rich family (1986 - it was still under Communism), so he is not spoiled brat. Actually he is very motivated, determined and single-minded.

kessler is from munster, he is west german and born in aristocrat family that is incredibly wealthy

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Stopped improving?. I'd say more a marked man? The only issuse I have with him is he offered cash to Phillip Deigan to win the Vuelta stage from Deigan last year, seen clearly on tele aswell

this happens in cycling all the time lol. it's common knowledge that in 2 rider breaks the winner always pays of the loser from his received bonus

 

[tretow95]

get real! kreuziger could NEVER win a Giro as the parcours are so much tougher than the Tour or Vuelta and are always more favourable to purer climbers.

the tdf suits him better as it always contains a fair amount of TTs and never any uber steep climbs.

the vuelta is more similar to the Giro in that aspect, less TTs and more steep climbs.

kreuziger can also compete well in one days, 5th in amstel this year is a good result.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Winning a GT more often than not depends on who is racing. Piti won a Vuelta against a very weak field.

If lack of motivation is not the explanation for RK's lack of progress, then why has he not moved up to the next level?

 

[paveton]

kessler is from munster, he is west german and born in aristocrat family that is incredibly wealthy

Eh, that was about RK

 

[theyoungest]

Winning a GT more often than not depends on who is racing. Piti won a Vuelta against a very weak field.

If lack of motivation is not the explanation for RK's lack of progress, then why has he not moved up to the next level?

Stronger than the field we'll see this year.

 

[Kwibus]

kessler is from munster, he is west german and born in aristocrat family that is incredibly wealthy

I'm pretty sure he was talking about Kreuziger.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

ok, well kreuziger is from 1986 I doubt he ever saw anything from communism

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Stronger than the field we'll see this year.

Definately
Valverde, Sanchez, Evans, Basso, Mosquera, Gesink - top 6 last year.

I don't think a potential top 6 with Nibali, Mosquera, Anton, F.Schleck, Menchov and Vandevelde (to name something) is better. Id say worse even.

 

[movingtarget]

Kreuziger could be another Cunego. GT results when young and no top results since. But then Cunego actually won a grand tour. Kreuziger always showed glimpses and I think he did the right thing getting out of an Italian team with two favoured Italian riders. A shame Kiserlovski did not go with him. Sure he has time on his hands but Andy Schleck is one year older than him and at the moment the gap between the two is a huge one, performance wise. Of all of the talented riders around his age group including some a bit older like Porte and VDB, you would have to say he is the one that has not delivered on his early potential. I would put Michael Rogers in the same category but for riders that are now in their early thirties. He never really regained his early promise.

 

[rxgqgxnyfz]

Kreuziger always showed glimpses and I think he did the right thing getting out of an Italian team with two favoured Italian riders. A shame Kiserlovski did not go with him.

Kiserlovski DID get out of Liquigas.
More to it, he went to the same team.
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Bubbler Pipe

 

[ILovecycling]

Kiserlovski DID get out of Liquigas.
More to it, he went to the same team.[/QUOTE

yeah its Good for Roman !

Look at the 2008 year ,i mean TdFrance- Andy 12th and Roman 13th ... from this Tdf was long way to today...Andy- 2009 - 1st.Liege-B-Liege and 2nd TdF !!! Roman-2009 - 1st.Romadie 9th Tdf (not fit-flu or something)...and in 2010 is a huge GAP from Andy to Roman ...and we dont no Why ?- bad team,wrong training...I think of course Andy has a little bit more talent BUT its all about Bjarne Riis and perfect devolop of Andy !!!

Do you(all of you) think the same ?

 

[paveton]

...Look at the 2008 year ,i mean TdFrance- Andy 12th and Roman 13th ... from this Tdf was long way to today...Andy- 2009 - 1st.Liege-B-Liege and 2nd TdF !!! Roman-2009 - 1st.Romadie 9th Tdf (not fit-flu or something)...and in 2010 is a huge GAP from Andy to Roman ...and we dont no Why ?- bad team,wrong training...I think of course Andy has a little bit more talent BUT its all about Bjarne Riis and perfect devolop of Andy !!!

Do you(all of you) think the same ?

Nope. The GAP was already there in 2008. Only Andy had to ride for Sastre and Frank, not for himself.

 

[Nick C.]

Kiserlovski DID get out of Liquigas.
More to it, he went to the same team.[/QUOTE

yeah its Good for Roman !

Look at the 2008 year ,i mean TdFrance- Andy 12th and Roman 13th ... from this Tdf was long way to today...Andy- 2009 - 1st.Liege-B-Liege and 2nd TdF !!! Roman-2009 - 1st.Romadie 9th Tdf (not fit-flu or something)...and in 2010 is a huge GAP from Andy to Roman ...and we dont no Why ?- bad team,wrong training...I think of course Andy has a little bit more talent BUT its all about Bjarne Riis and perfect devolop of Andy !!!

Do you(all of you) think the same ?

Andy lost a lot of time when his supposedly forgot to eat and bonke don the Hautacam stage. By the Alps he was a visible factor or presence whereas Roman was not (I'm not trying to critcize or slight Roman just stating what I recall).

 

[paveton]

ok, well kreuziger is from 1986 I doubt he ever saw anything from communism

Probably not much, as he was 3 years old at the time of revolution
But that was not the point. What i meant to say - it took a long time to his father to get rich, so he grew up like a normal boy, not like a son of millionaire.
And I dont think that the current (relative) wealth of his family means a lot to his motivation and goals.

 

[Angliru]

I have heard it said that RK's dad is quite wealthy and that RK is not hugely motivated because he knows he'll be ok financially, unlike other some other riders.

I've heard the first part but I've never heard a hint of him lacking motivation as a result of his well-to-do background.

 

[Angliru]

Interesting thing about this generation of riders specifically Kreuziger and Andy Schleck. Kreuziger minimizes his teammate Nibali's potential, saying he doesn't have the motor to win a grand tour (this was in one of the magazines, either Pro Cycling or Cycle Sport America) and Andy Schleck, not one to engage his brain before opening his mouth, stated in one of the same magazines that Kreuziger is years away (if ever) from contending in a grand tour. These two don't hesitate to poo-poo the chances of others while they have yet to win a grand tour themselves. Have they never heard of diplomacy?

 

[Angliru]

sorry but can't say more than this is a stupid post.

I'll take your word for it because I can barely understand it.

 

[Angliru]

Winning a GT more often than not depends on who is racing. Piti won a Vuelta against a very weak field.

If lack of motivation is not the explanation for RK's lack of progress, then why has he not moved up to the next level?

The Vuelta field is never going to compare to the Tour's. Now with Valverde, Evans, Samuel Sanchez, Basso, Mosquera and Gesink all battling I definitely would not call it a weak field.

 

[Angliru]

AS has had his opportunities for Tour success and has fumbled them away like a butter-fingered halfback. Of course his 2 2nd places in the Tour are impressive but we shouldn't so readily compare riders of the same age especially when they are as young as AS and Kreuziger. We really don't know what the future holds for Kreuziger other than that he has shown a definite ability in the week long stage races, potential in the Ardennes and potential in the Tour/grand tours.

As mentioned earlier, looking at riders like Menchov, Sastre, and Samuel Sanchez and how they had their greatest successes in their 30's, it is far too early to be saying that Kreuziger has no chance at grand tour success.

 

[ILovecycling]

Nope. The GAP was already there in 2008. Only Andy had to ride for Sastre and Frank, not for himself.

Yes,i forgot taht he was a teammate to Sastre...So Andy Schleck its just better than Kreuziger...but i hope for their battle away 3 years

 

[_Awer_]

Just few little comments to this discussion:
*In 2008 Kreuziger had no support from his team in the mountains. There was only Nibali who stayed with him in some climbs, but he was also very young and suffered fall during the stage to Prato Nevoso (where Kreuziger was -by the way- incredible, better than Evans and other contenders). So he wasn´t in much better position than Andy. "Leader" of no team and superdomestique in the GC winner´s team, that´s quite the same. - And it was battle to the last ITT, to the last possible climb (where Kreuziger attacked).
Kreuziger won Tour de Suisse, just 22 years and two months old, while finishing 2nd some months before in TdR(omandie). Andy was 2nd in the GC the GC of Giro and 8th in TdR year before (same age). So there was difference but not soo big..

*In 2009 Kreuziger suffered from Gastroenteritis during the Tour (Boonen quit the race with same illness). So that´s why he was unable to stay with contenders on Verbier, during the queen stage etc. However of that, he was incredible on Mont Ventoux and finished 2nd in San Sebastian after quick recovery. So there was visible improve.

*This year he doesn´t look so good, it´s absolutely true. I hoped he will be much better, but you know, there can be some "normal" ("non-Popovych-style" ) cause of that. Maybe training, motivation, team concentrating on Giro, not TdF.. He was a bit ill during this spring, that´s why he wasn´t good in TdR. Before TdS, he said he will take it easy, just as a race training for Tour. In TdF he hadn´t strong legs but could use his brain to limit losses in every stage (he´s absolutely tempo rider, you could saw that on TDs and Alpe d Huez(TdF) ´08, Mont Ventoux and Verbier ´09 and almost all the climbs this year, but, of course, without ability to get on the pedals, it´s not enough ). I can see impovement in short ITT´s where he is almost better than Cancellara.

So -I think- 2011 will be quie decisive year for his chances. I hope he can be pretty good. Astana surely isn´t bad team, however there won´t be Navarro and some other guys...

 

[ILovecycling]

Just few little comments to this discussion:
*In 2008 Kreuziger had no support from his team in the mountains. There was only Nibali who stayed with him in some climbs, but he was also very young and suffered fall during the stage to Prato Nevoso (where Kreuziger was -by the way- incredible, better than Evans and other contenders). So he wasn´t in much better position than Andy. "Leader" of no team and superdomestique in the GC winner´s team, that´s quite the same. - And it was battle to the last ITT, to the last possible climb (where Kreuziger attacked).
Kreuziger won Tour de Suisse, just 22 years and two months old, while finishing 2nd some months before in TdR(omandie). Andy was 2nd in the GC the GC of Giro and 8th in TdR year before (same age). So there was difference but not soo big..

*In 2009 Kreuziger suffered from Gastroenteritis during the Tour (Boonen quit the race with same illness). So that´s why he was unable to stay with contenders on Verbier, during the queen stage etc. However of that, he was incredible on Mont Ventoux and finished 2nd in San Sebastian after quick recovery. So there was visible improve.

*This year he doesn´t look so good, it´s absolutely true. I hoped he will be much better, but you know, there can be some "normal" ("non-Popovych-style" ) cause of that. Maybe training, motivation, team concentrating on Giro, not TdF.. He was a bit ill during this spring, that´s why he wasn´t good in TdR. Before TdS, he said he will take it easy, just as a race training for Tour. In TdF he hadn´t strong legs but could use his brain to limit losses in every stage (he´s absolutely tempo rider, you could saw that on TDs and Alpe d Huez(TdF) ´08, Mont Ventoux and Verbier ´09 and almost all the climbs this year, but, of course, without ability to get on the pedals, it´s not enough ). I can see impovement in short ITT´s where he is almost better than Cancellara.

So -I think- 2011 will be quie decisive year for his chances. I hope he can be pretty good. Astana surely isn´t bad team, however there won´t be Navarro and some other guys...

i absolutely agree ...In Tour 2011 will be Alpe d'huez so it could be chance ...Soo....good luck Roman !!!

 

[Ryaguas]

where he is almost better than Cancellara.

So -I think- 2011 will be quie decisive year for his chances. I hope he can be pretty good. Astana surely isn´t bad team, however there won´t be Navarro and some other guys...

Wow wow... easy pal... I'm a big Kreuziger fan but I'm not that enthusiastic...

Yeah Navarro will not be there but He will still have Tiralongo and Kiserlovski...!