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lol, so because de Vlaeminck once said something that was absolute ****, it should be treated as gospel?burning said:MacBAir said:How the f*** can you say this? It could be his fault, but probably?burning said:It was probably his fault to have that puncture but he looked really impressive for 15 mins
To quote Roger de Vlaeminck:
When you’re really fit, you rarely get a flat tyre because you’re more lucid. I had a puncture once, in 1970, and then never again in 10 years. The other secret is confidence. I often started with the idea that I was going to win. I missed my chance once or twice but no more than that.
It is very likely that the puncture is caused by his mistake, I doubt that Schurter will have any punctures in this race.
Hugo Koblet said:Uhm, how so?El Pistolero said:It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.
But we didn't get to see if Sagan could compete with the best MTB'ers.El Pistolero said:Hugo Koblet said:Uhm, how so?El Pistolero said:It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.
A mountain-biker could never focus a whole year on mountain-biking to then all of a sudden compete with the best on the road race in the Olympics. Just like a track cyclist who focuses on the track for a whole year could never hope to compete for the road race.
Eventually a lot of the best track cyclists come to the road to try their luck.
You rarely see good cyclists on the road go to track cycling or mountain-biking instead (I mean permanently, not just in an Olympic year). Vincenzo Nibali said he wants to do some mountain-biking after he retires on the road. I hope he actually does it because it would be interesting to see.
Indeed, what we basically saw was him sprint really quickly and then hold his position for 1/7th of the race. Pretty impressive, but to be expected from one of the fastest sprinters in the world, and certainly not indicative that he would have done anything exceptional in the race as a whole.Hugo Koblet said:But we didn't get to see if Sagan could compete with the best MTB'ers.El Pistolero said:Hugo Koblet said:Uhm, how so?El Pistolero said:It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.
A mountain-biker could never focus a whole year on mountain-biking to then all of a sudden compete with the best on the road race in the Olympics. Just like a track cyclist who focuses on the track for a whole year could never hope to compete for the road race.
Eventually a lot of the best track cyclists come to the road to try their luck.
You rarely see good cyclists on the road go to track cycling or mountain-biking instead (I mean permanently, not just in an Olympic year). Vincenzo Nibali said he wants to do some mountain-biking after he retires on the road. I hope he actually does it because it would be interesting to see.
Tell us, what did you see?Hugo Koblet said:But we didn't get to see if Sagan could compete with the best MTB'ers.El Pistolero said:Hugo Koblet said:Uhm, how so?El Pistolero said:It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.
A mountain-biker could never focus a whole year on mountain-biking to then all of a sudden compete with the best on the road race in the Olympics. Just like a track cyclist who focuses on the track for a whole year could never hope to compete for the road race.
Eventually a lot of the best track cyclists come to the road to try their luck.
You rarely see good cyclists on the road go to track cycling or mountain-biking instead (I mean permanently, not just in an Olympic year). Vincenzo Nibali said he wants to do some mountain-biking after he retires on the road. I hope he actually does it because it would be interesting to see.
Schurter did a few years ago.Red Rick said:I agree with Pisti. Did any of the current great MTB'ers every try the road?
Red Rick said:I agree with Pisti. Did any of the current great MTB'ers every try the road?
Was he at the front at any times/got some good results on those b or c tier races?burning said:Red Rick said:I agree with Pisti. Did any of the current great MTB'ers every try the road?
Schurter rode Romandie and Suisse and he was fairly decent
I saw Sagan riding with the best for 1/6 of the race until he punctured, which doesn't tell us much. It might be the case that he could have followed the best, but most likely he wouldn't have been able to. All we know is that he was impressive in the beginning (which was predicted) but then punctured (which could be because of bad luck or lack of skills).MacBAir said:Tell us, what did you see?Hugo Koblet said:But we didn't get to see if Sagan could compete with the best MTB'ers.El Pistolero said:Hugo Koblet said:Uhm, how so?El Pistolero said:It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.
A mountain-biker could never focus a whole year on mountain-biking to then all of a sudden compete with the best on the road race in the Olympics. Just like a track cyclist who focuses on the track for a whole year could never hope to compete for the road race.
Eventually a lot of the best track cyclists come to the road to try their luck.
You rarely see good cyclists on the road go to track cycling or mountain-biking instead (I mean permanently, not just in an Olympic year). Vincenzo Nibali said he wants to do some mountain-biking after he retires on the road. I hope he actually does it because it would be interesting to see.
Who were the others that went from the last few positions to the front group? Not one of them. Only Sagan.Hugo Koblet said:I saw Sagan riding with the best for 1/6 of the race until he punctured, which doesn't tell us much. It might be the case that he could have followed the best, but most likely he wouldn't have been able to. All we know is that he was impressive in the beginning (which was predicted) but then punctured (which could be because of bad luck or lack of skills).
Besides, Sagan is dropped from his group now and bleeding time.
No, I don't know why he's losing time now (probably because of a crash or another puncture - do you start seing a pattern here?), but look at his times:MacBAir said:Who were the others that went from the last few positions to the front group? Not one of them. Only Sagan.Hugo Koblet said:I saw Sagan riding with the best for 1/6 of the race until he punctured, which doesn't tell us much. It might be the case that he could have followed the best, but most likely he wouldn't have been able to. All we know is that he was impressive in the beginning (which was predicted) but then punctured (which could be because of bad luck or lack of skills).
Besides, Sagan is dropped from his group now and bleeding time.
You also don't know why he is losing time.
Stop acting like it isn't well known that he is 3x the athlete of any guy here. If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power.
Thepirateisgood said:Nibali was an excellent MB'er before taking to the road, like Sagan if I remember correctly.
What I'm saying is that trying to surpass riders, riding alongside lots of riders will expose his lack of skills much more than if he was at the front, where he had the space to make up for it in power, as you could see.Hugo Koblet said:No, I don't know why he's losing time now (probably because of a crash or another puncture - do you start seing a pattern here?), but look at his times:MacBAir said:Who were the others that went from the last few positions to the front group? Not one of them. Only Sagan.Hugo Koblet said:I saw Sagan riding with the best for 1/6 of the race until he punctured, which doesn't tell us much. It might be the case that he could have followed the best, but most likely he wouldn't have been able to. All we know is that he was impressive in the beginning (which was predicted) but then punctured (which could be because of bad luck or lack of skills).
Besides, Sagan is dropped from his group now and bleeding time.
You also don't know why he is losing time.
Stop acting like it isn't well known that he is 3x the athlete of any guy here. If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power.
He wen't from:
+0:03
to:
+1:56
which obviously was because of the puncture, but look what happened afterwards and uptil his latest time loss:
+2:12
+2:44
+2:49
which shows that he was slowly bleeding time anyway.
Also from the pictures, it's pretty clear that he doesn't have the skills like the other riders. I don't know what you mean by "If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power" as the skills are obviously as important as stamina and power.
Lance Armstrong said:Lost 2 minutes in 1/2 lap. Probably another puncture, or a fall. DNF incoming.
Oh god, someone had specialized woke up from their dream.Dekker_Tifosi said:Sagan punctured again
2 punctures. Seems like wrong choice of material
You're right about that, but he was at the front after 2 minutes.MacBAir said:What I'm saying is that trying to surpass riders, riding alongside lots of riders will expose his lack of skills much more than if he was at the front, where he had the space to make up for it in power, as you could see.Hugo Koblet said:No, I don't know why he's losing time now (probably because of a crash or another puncture - do you start seing a pattern here?), but look at his times:MacBAir said:Who were the others that went from the last few positions to the front group? Not one of them. Only Sagan.Hugo Koblet said:I saw Sagan riding with the best for 1/6 of the race until he punctured, which doesn't tell us much. It might be the case that he could have followed the best, but most likely he wouldn't have been able to. All we know is that he was impressive in the beginning (which was predicted) but then punctured (which could be because of bad luck or lack of skills).
Besides, Sagan is dropped from his group now and bleeding time.
You also don't know why he is losing time.
Stop acting like it isn't well known that he is 3x the athlete of any guy here. If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power.
He wen't from:
+0:03
to:
+1:56
which obviously was because of the puncture, but look what happened afterwards and uptil his latest time loss:
+2:12
+2:44
+2:49
which shows that he was slowly bleeding time anyway.
Also from the pictures, it's pretty clear that he doesn't have the skills like the other riders. I don't know what you mean by "If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power" as the skills are obviously as important as stamina and power.
laurensde+ said:Thepirateisgood said:Nibali was an excellent MB'er before taking to the road, like Sagan if I remember correctly.
Dontcha mean Fuglsang?
MacBAir said:Oh god, someone had specialized woke up from their dream.Dekker_Tifosi said:Sagan punctured again
2 punctures. Seems like wrong choice of material