What can Sagan achieve in RIO in MTB race?

[El Pistolero]

Nino Schurter is the new Olympic Champ.

 

[Thepirateisgood]

This by Nino is just amazing. Well played tactics

 

[Brullnux]

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It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.

Disagree, many make have gone from being successful on mtb to successful on road than vice versa. And mtb is much, much more fun. If this had been a technical course then you would've seen how good these riders are.

 

[Thepirateisgood]

In this type of race, would the front runners back off a bit, if their competitor had a mechanical, or crash?

No way, there is no "unwritten" rules here

 

[Thepirateisgood]

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It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.

Disagree, many make have gone from being successful on mtb to successful on road than vice versa. And mtb is much, much more fun. If this had been a technical course then you would've seen how good these riders are.

+, the average speed is like double the regular events.

 

[SKSemtex]

These are the true champs. No team tactics, no doms to control the race, no sprinters softpedaling 90% of the time.
Just one hour of 100% effort

 

[SKSemtex]

Now I understand why Nino claiming no chance for Peter. He had to see in those training he is not there technicly to be with the best.

 

[DFA123]

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Peraud did pretty well in both at his peak. Silver medal in Olympics MTB and second place in the Tour de France.

 

[woodburn]

Another mechanical for Sagan.

 

[laurensde+]

Poor Saggles.

 

[Thepirateisgood]

Yep agree 100% SK, I see you are Sagan fan, but this is slaughter totally. He distance the former OG champ like is amateur.

Whoever says Sagan is 3x the athlete, should check themselves before they wreck themself.

(I like Sagan, cause he attacks, but stay on the road)

 

[ciranda]

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I saw Sagan riding with the best for 1/6 of the race until he punctured, which doesn't tell us much. It might be the case that he could have followed the best, but most likely he wouldn't have been able to. All we know is that he was impressive in the beginning (which was predicted) but then punctured (which could be because of bad luck or lack of skills).

Besides, Sagan is dropped from his group now and bleeding time.

Who were the others that went from the last few positions to the front group? Not one of them. Only Sagan.
You also don't know why he is losing time.

Stop acting like it isn't well known that he is 3x the athlete of any guy here. If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power.

No, I don't know why he's losing time now (probably because of a crash or another puncture - do you start seing a pattern here?), but look at his times:

He wen't from:
+0:03
to:
+1:56
which obviously was because of the puncture, but look what happened afterwards and uptil his latest time loss:
+2:12
+2:44
+2:49
which shows that he was slowly bleeding time anyway.

Also from the pictures, it's pretty clear that he doesn't have the skills like the other riders. I don't know what you mean by "If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power" as the skills are obviously as important as stamina and power.

What I'm saying is that trying to surpass riders, riding alongside lots of riders will expose his lack of skills much more than if he was at the front, where he had the space to make up for it in power, as you could see.

You're right about that, but he was at the front after 2 minutes.

I agree with HK. Sagan is no ordinary road cyclist. He is probably the only one who could have done well in this race. Could Rosa or Fuglsang have done a good race? I don't think so. And they have past mtb experience. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see Froome or Porte race here. Or Kruiswijk or van Garderen. Or Kristoff or etc etc.

 

[DFA123]

Oh dear; won't be buying a Specialized MTB any time soon.

 

[laurensde+]

Classy win for Nino

 

[DFA123]

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I agree with HK. Sagan is no ordinary road cyclist. He is probably the only one who could have done well in this race. Could Rosa or Fuglsang have done a good race? I don't think so. And they have past mtb experience. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see Froome or Porte race here. Or Kruiswijk or van Garderen. Or Kristoff or etc etc.

Stybar perhaps could have done OK with a bit of prep? It would have to be someone really punchy to make up for the technical deficiencies though.

 

[carolina]

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Oh dear; won't be buying a Specialized MTB any time soon.

kulhavy was ridding specialized

 

[DFA123]

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Oh dear; won't be buying a Specialized MTB any time soon.

kulhavy was ridding specialized

Great - so just a 50% chance that the equipment will spectacularly let you down. Glad to see their publicity stunt backfire.

 

[TourOfSardinia]

In the Olympics they say it is the taking part that counts.
Grande Peter!

 

[Thepirateisgood]

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Also from the pictures, it's pretty clear that he doesn't have the skills like the other riders. I don't know what you mean by "If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power" as the skills are obviously as important as stamina and power.[/quote]
What I'm saying is that trying to surpass riders, riding alongside lots of riders will expose his lack of skills much more than if he was at the front, where he had the space to make up for it in power, as you could see.[/quote]
You're right about that, but he was at the front after 2 minutes.[/quote]

I agree with HK. Sagan is no ordinary road cyclist. He is probably the only one who could have done well in this race. Could Rosa or Fuglsang have done a good race? I don't think so. And they have past mtb experience. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see Froome or Porte race here. Or Kruiswijk or van Garderen. Or Kristoff or etc etc.[/quote]
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Froome came from MTB too you know, not any results as such - but it's always strange to me he was judged like bad bike handler. Porte, Kruis, Garden, Kristoff would be fun to see. Shouldn't there be a "greatest bike racer" race, like they have in motorsports (Can't remember the name, but they compete F1, Rally, RX drivers. Think poor Schumacher won a couple, Mäkinen some and so on..)

Then, finally we could speak about "the complete cyclist"

Edit: There is something very wrong about the forums mechanics here (quoting, polls and so on), isn't it a pretty big site Cyclingnews? Shouldn't they get something back from money they pay for the running of the forum?
Like, it should work?

 

[DFA123]

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Froome came from MTB too you know, not any results as such - but it's always strange to me he was judged like bad bike handler. Porte, Kruis, Garden, Kristoff would be fun to see. Shouldn't there be a "greatest bike racer" race, like they have in motorsports (Can't remember the name, but they compete F1, Rally, RX drivers. Think poor Schumacher won a couple, Mäkinen some and so on..)

Then, finally we could speak about "the complete cyclist"

Isn't that what cyclocross is? Basically a hybrid of road and mtb.

 

[Isaak-Gabriel]

Sagan doesn't ride on Specialized tires, the bike still very good. It's just a bad day.

 

[Brullnux]

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I agree with HK. Sagan is no ordinary road cyclist. He is probably the only one who could have done well in this race. Could Rosa or Fuglsang have done a good race? I don't think so. And they have past mtb experience. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see Froome or Porte race here. Or Kruiswijk or van Garderen. Or Kristoff or etc etc.

Stybar perhaps could have done OK with a bit of prep? It would have to be someone really punchy to make up for the technical deficiencies though.

He's never done MTB though

 

[SKSemtex]

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Yep agree 100% SK, I see you are Sagan fan, but this is slaughter totally. He distance the former OG champ like is amateur.

Whoever says Sagan is 3x the athlete, should check themselves before they wreck themself.

(I like Sagan, cause he attacks, but stay on the road)

I am afraid he won't stay in road very long. He will go back to MTB. After this contract he will be rich enough to do that.
From his interwiews I have a feeling that road race is far from his main interest.

 

[BigMac]

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Oh dear; won't be buying a Specialized MTB any time soon.

Didn't he just have flat tires?

1. Specialized bikes use other brands' tires.

2. Tires are cheap and easy to replace.

3. Second placed rider, Jaroslav Kulhavý, rides Specialized.

Their imagine is untarnished.

 

[El Pistolero]

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It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.

Disagree, many make have gone from being successful on mtb to successful on road than vice versa. And mtb is much, much more fun. If this had been a technical course then you would've seen how good these riders are.

That's because the real prestige lies on the road. Why would a successful road cyclist go to mountain-bike all of a sudden? It wouldn't make much sense. There's more money and prestige to be earned on the road.

I wish mountain-bike was more popular though, especially in Belgium. In the land of cycling no one actually cares about mountain-biking or track cycling here.