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Disagree, many make have gone from being successful on mtb to successful on road than vice versa. And mtb is much, much more fun. If this had been a technical course then you would've seen how good these riders are.El Pistolero said:It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.
This Charming Man said:In this type of race, would the front runners back off a bit, if their competitor had a mechanical, or crash?
Brullnux said:Disagree, many make have gone from being successful on mtb to successful on road than vice versa. And mtb is much, much more fun. If this had been a technical course then you would've seen how good these riders are.El Pistolero said:It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.
Hugo Koblet said:You're right about that, but he was at the front after 2 minutes.MacBAir said:What I'm saying is that trying to surpass riders, riding alongside lots of riders will expose his lack of skills much more than if he was at the front, where he had the space to make up for it in power, as you could see.Hugo Koblet said:No, I don't know why he's losing time now (probably because of a crash or another puncture - do you start seing a pattern here?), but look at his times:MacBAir said:Who were the others that went from the last few positions to the front group? Not one of them. Only Sagan.Hugo Koblet said:I saw Sagan riding with the best for 1/6 of the race until he punctured, which doesn't tell us much. It might be the case that he could have followed the best, but most likely he wouldn't have been able to. All we know is that he was impressive in the beginning (which was predicted) but then punctured (which could be because of bad luck or lack of skills).
Besides, Sagan is dropped from his group now and bleeding time.
You also don't know why he is losing time.
Stop acting like it isn't well known that he is 3x the athlete of any guy here. If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power.
He wen't from:
+0:03
to:
+1:56
which obviously was because of the puncture, but look what happened afterwards and uptil his latest time loss:
+2:12
+2:44
+2:49
which shows that he was slowly bleeding time anyway.
Also from the pictures, it's pretty clear that he doesn't have the skills like the other riders. I don't know what you mean by "If he is losing time without any more mechanicals, it's due to lack of necessary skills, not stamina and power" as the skills are obviously as important as stamina and power.
Stybar perhaps could have done OK with a bit of prep? It would have to be someone really punchy to make up for the technical deficiencies though.ciranda said:I agree with HK. Sagan is no ordinary road cyclist. He is probably the only one who could have done well in this race. Could Rosa or Fuglsang have done a good race? I don't think so. And they have past mtb experience. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see Froome or Porte race here. Or Kruiswijk or van Garderen. Or Kristoff or etc etc.
DFA123 said:Oh dear; won't be buying a Specialized MTB any time soon.
Great - so just a 50% chance that the equipment will spectacularly let you down. Glad to see their publicity stunt backfire.carolina said:DFA123 said:Oh dear; won't be buying a Specialized MTB any time soon.
kulhavy was ridding specialized
Isn't that what cyclocross is? Basically a hybrid of road and mtb.Thepirateisgood said:?
Froome came from MTB too you know, not any results as such - but it's always strange to me he was judged like bad bike handler. Porte, Kruis, Garden, Kristoff would be fun to see. Shouldn't there be a "greatest bike racer" race, like they have in motorsports (Can't remember the name, but they compete F1, Rally, RX drivers. Think poor Schumacher won a couple, Mäkinen some and so on..)
Then, finally we could speak about "the complete cyclist"
He's never done MTB thoughDFA123 said:Stybar perhaps could have done OK with a bit of prep? It would have to be someone really punchy to make up for the technical deficiencies though.ciranda said:I agree with HK. Sagan is no ordinary road cyclist. He is probably the only one who could have done well in this race. Could Rosa or Fuglsang have done a good race? I don't think so. And they have past mtb experience. Think about how ridiculous it would be to see Froome or Porte race here. Or Kruiswijk or van Garderen. Or Kristoff or etc etc.
I am afraid he won't stay in road very long. He will go back to MTB. After this contract he will be rich enough to do that.Thepirateisgood said:Yep agree 100% SK, I see you are Sagan fan, but this is slaughter totally. He distance the former OG champ like is amateur.
Whoever says Sagan is 3x the athlete, should check themselves before they wreck themself.
(I like Sagan, cause he attacks, but stay on the road)
DFA123 said:Oh dear; won't be buying a Specialized MTB any time soon.
Brullnux said:Disagree, many make have gone from being successful on mtb to successful on road than vice versa. And mtb is much, much more fun. If this had been a technical course then you would've seen how good these riders are.El Pistolero said:It once again proves that road cycling is the queen of cycling though.