The Hitch said:
Some people.are trying to play down the case against sky on this thread by dismissing it as a few questionmarks being exaggerated.
The fact is that with sky are clean- there are a million unanswered questions, for.some of.which not even the wildest imagination can create a sensible answer.
Why did Bailsford lie. Why did wiggins lie. Why did they openly idolize Us postal even as an investigation was about to take us postal down. Why did.wiggins love lance. Why did he praise lance for his victories. Why did he take lances side on the doping. Why did Geraint Thomas and Alex Dowsett defend lance.If he's not doping what on earth caused wiggins'new found hatred of people sceptical of cycling
Why has Wiggins moved on every level away fom an anti doping position since he found.out he could ride gts?
Firstly you need to be more specific about Brailford's lie?
As far as Wiggins goes, he can be deliberately obtuse with journalists, are you referring to his when he rode against lance, it seems to be he was referring to his 7 tdf victories and he should have known better in his statements about Lance after his time with Garmin.
I am not sure on the relevence of Thomas or Dowsett's statements though, young cyclists not really involved with Lance, whose main thing was riding a bike, not investagive journalism
The Hitch said:
Why did so many riders improve so much at sky. How did 4 riders who have ridden.entire.tdfs in the gruppeto end up owning the entire Tour de France from start to finish. Why was multiple doper rogers posting lifetime pb numbers. How did richie porte who even in his great giro performances while defending the pink jersey, was being dropped for.minutes on mountains end up as superdom.Why did the new great gt rider of his generation Chris Froome appear no better than a Sunday ride bottle.carrier before he joined sky?
Valid explanatons for both Froome and Wiggins improvements have been given, you choose to ignore them.
I don't think Rodgers rode in the grupetto on a regular basis, his numbers has been dealt with many times, as for Richie Porte, he could not defend the pink Jersey so what, he could not improve since then seems to be your argument.
The Hitch said:
What in the blue hell was lienders doing on the team. Why was it specifically him hired. And why oh why did bailsford who.claims to be Mr transparency choose the guilty mans tactic of.ignoring it and burying the story 6 months later. How did supposed genius Bailsford end up not knowing that much of his team and staff had doping histories. How did he not.know about barry even as Barry was named by landis?
Why has a team which blows their trumpet about transparency offered absolutely nothing.
If you are clean, why not just be transparent?
Etc.
On the other hand if they are doping there are no questions. Just another group of people who swore on everything they hold dear that they were clean, but offered no.transparency, looked up to.dopers played it all.out.in pr, while doping to massive success.
When you make a mistake in hiring someone, you don't want to go around making it high profile, but Leinders name was still on Sky's website so it was not buried to that extent, just not publicised more.
With Barry, what could he do, sack him on Landis's word against Barry's?
The facts are these questions have reasonable answers, you just don't accept the answers.