What do you think of the Dr Maserati permaban?

[MarkvW]

Not exactly. I'll highlight what you missed;



And I'm not even an attorney.

Like I said...Maserati could lose it. And he surely did.

 

[TheGame]

Rule 34, look it up.

You need a new sig Chewie.

 

[King Boonen]

Not ridiculous at all. It's called moderation.

And to be perfectly clear, Mas should have been given more consideration than say someone like me. He brings much more to this forum than I do.

No, it's advocating special rules for one poster and involving the editor every time he has a problem, it's ridiculous. We all have to live inside the rules, Dr Mas knew that and knew what he did was wrong and t wasn't the first time.

I also don't think he should be given more consideration, he may bring more than we do but I'm sure he also ties up much more of the mods time.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer he was here, but at some point you have to make a decision if someone is constantly disruptive, that seems to have been the tack taken.

 

[King Boonen]

WHY would he come back is a better question.

Well he enjoys himself here, I'm guessing this is the forum he is most active on and he likes discussing things like this. It may take a while and I doubt there would be an apology, but I think he'd return.

 

[86TDFWinner]

WOW! I go away for a few days, and the Dr gets the hook?(no pun intended). He was a valued and good poster IMO. I think he should be re-instated, take that FWIW.

However this place is absolute heaven compared to the North Korea that RoadbikeReview has become under its evil despot.

LOL, I concur. That ******bag "Local Hero" who posts there is just awful.

 

[86TDFWinner]

However this place is absolute heaven compared to the North Korea that RoadbikeReview has become under its evil despot.

LOL, I concur. That ******bag "Local Hero" who posts there is just awful.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Like I said...Maserati could lose it. And he surely did.

Yes, Mas lost it. But his "manifesto" only stated he was beyond moderation by Berzin. There's a difference particularly if what Mas stated was happening.

Perma-bann for that is well beyond what should have happened. Surely we can all agree to this.

 

[red_flanders]

Not exactly. I'll highlight what you missed;



And I'm not even an attorney.

What are you saying here? Berzin is mod. Dr. Mas stated in so many words Berzin didn't have the right to moderate where Dr. Mas was concerned. Therefore Dr. Mas was saying he won't allow himself to be moderated. Far from the first time he's done it. Looks like he was wrong.

Ultimatums have a way of garnering reactions people don't like.

Dr. Mas is the one who pushed it way over the line. Yes, the mods could have ignored it. Do you know how many times they already have? How much time they've wasted trying to explain this to Dr. Mas? I don't. I guarantee you it's a lot.

Seems pretty simple to me, if he wanted to be a member he would have simply addressed his points to Daniel Benson directly. Clearly he wanted to make a public point. I'm sure he's lapping up all this attention now, and has achieved his goal of making a bit stink.

Not particularly productive or good for the forum, but I'm sure he's enjoying it on some level.

 

[Scott SoCal]

No, it's advocating special rules for one poster and involving the editor every time he has a problem, it's ridiculous. We all have to live inside the rules, Dr Mas knew that and knew what he did was wrong and t wasn't the first time.

I also don't think he should be given more consideration, he may bring more than we do but I'm sure he also ties up much more of the mods time.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer he was here, but at some point you have to make a decision if someone is constantly disruptive, that seems to have been the tack taken.

The rules are not applied the same in every thread and not applied the same to every poster. It's called moderation, in fact the rules are not applied the same by each moderator.

This site should realize the value that someone like Mas brings and adjust accordingly. That Mas had a run-in with ONE moderator doesn't mean the moderator has no culpability in what the outcome was. Mas is more valuable as a member of this forum than Berzin. Simple as that.

We all have to live inside the rules

Yep. Including the mods.

 

[red_flanders]

Yes, Mas lost it. But his "manifesto" only stated he was beyond moderation by Berzin. There's a difference particularly if what Mas stated was happening.

Apparently not:

(And if any other mod interferes with this post they will suffer the same fate)

And I'd be confused if someone claimed it made sense for members to decide which mods had rights to moderate their posts. Or is it only OK for Dr. Mas? You have to laugh at the hubris.

That said I hope he finds his way back. He knows the path. Up to him.

 

[MarkvW]

The rules are not applied the same in every thread and not applied the same to every poster. It's called moderation, in fact the rules are not applied the same by each moderator.

This site should realize the value that someone like Mas brings and adjust accordingly. That Mas had a run-in with ONE moderator doesn't mean the moderator has no culpability in what the outcome was. Mas is more valuable as a member of this forum than Berzin. Simple as that.



Yep. Including the mods.

Berzin is a very bad mod.

 

[Netserk]

I must say that I very much agree with red_flanders on this issue.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Chewie - I asked you nicely to calm it down with the insults yesterday and I'm asking you again now. I won't be so nice if I have to ask you again.

 

[Digger]

Wasn't red flanders a mod here before?

Either way he's talking an awful lot of sense here.

 

[Scott SoCal]

What are you saying here? Berzin is mod. Dr. Mas stated in so many words Berzin didn't have the right to moderate where Dr. Mas was concerned. Therefore Dr. Mas was saying he won't allow himself to be moderated. Far from the first time he's done it. Looks like he was wrong.

Ultimatums have a way of garnering reactions people don't like.

Dr. Mas is the one who pushed it way over the line. Yes, the mods could have ignored it. Do you know how many times they already have? How much time they've wasted trying to explain this to Dr. Mas? I don't. I guarantee you it's a lot.

Seems pretty simple to me, if he wanted to be a member he would have simply addressed his points to Daniel Benson directly. Clearly he wanted to make a public point. I'm sure he's lapping up all this attention now, and has achieved his goal of making a bit stink.

Not particularly productive or good for the forum, but I'm sure he's enjoying it on some level.

What are you saying here? Berzin is mod. Dr. Mas stated in so many words Berzin didn't have the right to moderate where Dr. Mas was concerned. Therefore Dr. Mas was saying he won't allow himself to be moderated.

He called out Berzin. Berzin isn't the only mod. Mas said he wouldn't be moderated by Berzin, not that he wouldn't be moderated.

Dr. Mas is the one who pushed it way over the line.

I'm not sure that is known. Does Mas strike you as the type that would do what he did for no reason?

Seems pretty simple to me, if he wanted to be a member he would have simply addressed his points to Daniel Benson directly. Clearly he wanted to make a public point. I'm sure he's lapping up all this attention now, and has achieved his goal of making a bit stink.

The perma-bann has caused the stink. Mas didn't do that.

 

[Scott SoCal]

Apparently not:



And I'd be confused if someone claimed it made sense for members to decide which mods had rights to moderate their posts. Or is it only OK for Dr. Mas? You have to laugh at the hubris.

That said I hope he finds his way back. He knows the path. Up to him.

(And if any other mod interferes with this post they will suffer the same fate)

What part of this post are you missing? Additionally, what fate was he talking about? Going to Dan with what he felt was unfair moderation.

 

[red_flanders]

What part of this post are you missing? Additionally, what fate was he talking about? Going to Dan with what he felt was unfair moderation.

Going in circles here. I've already addressed all of this.

 

[red_flanders]

Wasn't red flanders a mod here before?

Either way he's talking an awful lot of sense here.

He was. Thanks.

Good post, Red.

 

[Scott SoCal]

I must say that I very much agree with red_flanders on this issue.

I'm sure that will cause RF to re-consider his stance.

Good post SoCal.

 

[ebandit]

priceless

He called out Berzin. Berzin isn't the only mod. Mas said he wouldn't be moderated by Berzin, not that he wouldn't be moderated.

priceless.............so if I send message to a mod **** off and die etc it would be unfair to ban me as I had been polite at all times to all other mods?

Mark L

 

[Hugh Januss]

priceless.............so if I send message to a mod **** off and die etc it would be unfair to ban me as I had been polite at all times to all other mods?

Mark L

Pretty stupid parallel you are attempting there.

 

[ebandit]

point

Pretty stupid parallel you are attempting there.

the salient point is very true............members can't pick and choose

Mark L

 

[Scott SoCal]

priceless.............so if I send message to a mod **** off and die etc it would be unfair to ban me as I had been polite at all times to all other mods?

Mark L

Is that what he said?

 

[Hugh Januss]

the salient point is very true............members can't pick and choose

Mark L

The salient point is entirely negated by your absurd example. It is specifically against forum rules to tell any member to FOAD, Amsterhammer found that out with a one month ban. Apparently suggesting that a particular mod is a bad mod and has it out for someone is a worse offense.

 

[the sceptic]

Maserati's last little manifesto was his declaration that he was beyond moderation. The only response to that is a ban. Maserati is truly beyond moderation now.

Maserati can't let anything go. The Vortex is the best example of that. Sometimes he can definitely lose it if the argument goes on for too long, or if it's not going too well for him. That obsessive trait of his can definitely be exploited for fun and amusement.

But to exploit it far enough to cause a ban? That's just cruel. And I think that happened here.

I'm going to miss the Doctor.

It was pretty obvious that Berzin knew what he was doing.

I mean, is there any better way to wind up the vortex than deleting its borderline off topic posts, while posting off topic yourself?

So all in all, Dr Mas should get a short ban for losing his mind, and Berzin should stop being an awful mod.