Another good thread:
Mrs John Murphy said:
Three historical counter-factuals to muse upon where we might be if :
i) The UCI had busted Armstrong in 1999 for the cortisoid? Would the peloton have been less toxic if Alex Zulle had become the patron?
No, cycling history has proven that the mighty can fall yet the status que is maintained. Zulle would of won in 1999, but like others have said he would not be the patron, those thick coke bottle glasses would prove his down fall in 2000
Mrs John Murphy said:
ii) Armstrong had invited Landis to join Radioshack/Astana in 2008/9? Would Landis have blown the whistle if he'd had that contract offer?
Landis would of been thankful for the return but would soon be back to his old self and I can wish to be there when the next epic battle began, Landis is total entertainment.
Mrs John Murphy said:
iii) The Puerto files and material evidence had been made fully available in 2006?
First off not only would cycling of taken a hit, the other half of the list that conveniently disappeared and has yet to be found again would of hit European sports so hard, Canada would of probably won the World Cup (Soccer Worlds for you non Soccer fans) each year after till the rest of the countries could field a team, yes Canada.
Mrs John Murphy said:
If anyone has any other 'moments of critical juncture' where the sport might have taken a different road then lets here them.
Will post pend them.
Libertine Seguros said:
I might add.
Some more what ifs:
1) What if Rasmussen had won the Tour before the publicisation of the whereabouts issues?
2) What if Klöden hadn't paid for the Freiburg investigation to go away?
3) What if the Astana investigation in 2009 had been conclusive? They said there was the DNA of 7 of the team members on paraphernalia they'd got hold of. Who were the exceptions? Lance and Alberto, doing their own things? Lance and Levi, Lance doing his own thing and Levi having crashed out? Alberto and Levi, likewise?
4) Roberto Heras' positive in 2005 had been overturned at the time? Heras has been one of the most blacklisted of all, and it is widely thought that he talked - where would cycling have been (especially in Spain) without this testimony?
1) I to this day think Rabobank should of never let Rasmussen leave even after the accusation, Ras should of won plain and simple till the UCI got its act together. Rabobank kicking him off the team spelled the doom of that team, if only to me, the lines to be read were pretty thick.
2) Kloden, teflon boy, it would of slipped off anyway.
3) Yea, that was ugly and so obvious UCI stuck its head in the sand that whole year, well always has.
4) Heras would of only maybe one more Vuelta even without his ban, I think Spain just ignored him as they have anyone talking.
Mrs John Murphy said:
If not Landis then who would have been the one to drop the bomb on Armstrong? Hamilton? Vaughters?
I don't think anyone had the cajones to drop any bomb's minus Floyd, they were all to ingrained and making money off of it, it was in their interest to not say a thing, even Vaughters who I think should of garnered the nickname "The Chicken".
Mrs John Murphy said:
With Armstrong one gets the sense that the UCI felt that he was too big and important to fall. They could throw Pantani, Ullrich etc under the bus, but they had too much invested in Armstrong to allow him to go to the wolves.
The UCI would of backed any one of those riders, their following was just as huge or could of been, just look at the Pantani memorial and now an official race with his name! Ullrich was headed to be the next one to be placed on the UCI mantel to show off if he wasn't already.
Mrs John Murphy said:
My view, Ullrich and Pantani would have been busted but it would have been sooner. I think you'd have seen 'Omerta with a human face' if the patron had been Ullrich.
Ullrich and Pantani had the tendency to self destruct, Ullrich with his weight issues and using party drugs to help not only party but quell that monster appetite for sausage & strudel. Pantani, couldn't face his massive number of fans knowing he was conning them all it hit his conscious he had an expiration date and he knew it.
Mrs John Murphy said:
Structurally, Ferrari, was still around. Riis never went away, the UCI was still the UCI, the media was still the media.
Another question - what if there had been no corruption in the vote for the UCI Presidency and Schenk had beaten McQuaid. Would she have been able to clean up the sport or would she have been easily defeated by entrenched attitudes and interests within the sport.
Nope, she would of inherited it all, including the corruption, money is money she'd of folded at the sight.
Mrs John Murphy said:
I think the thing is - I dislike the argument that says 'well it would have been like this anyway' because it denies any agency over the process.
I think that Puerto is one of the greatest missed opportunities in sport because its reach went far beyond one sport or one country.
That is not the only one!
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My What ifs:
1998 Festina: Yes one team was involved in doping
yet the delivery list was so massive and also accidentally and conveniently lost (as in they ignored that Festina mechanic or masseus what ever position he had he was the drug courier).
1999 Giro Raids: This would of set Italy straight had the cops actually taken names and left the riders in the prison cells Giro stage the next day or not! Sure the 1999 Giro would of had the least amount of finishers but they had them all in one spot dangling by the window sills!
Random Drug Testing: If it had happened.
The countless number of riders (ex-riders) writing, blogging, tweeting, the facts since I can remember but no they are all crazy attention seeking outcasts! Nope everyone of them had it right from day one.