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elapid said:
There is such a thing as the amateur peloton. It is a bunch of moderately talented cyclists who race their bikes as a hobby. While there is undoubtedly different levels of experience, that does not make them any less amateur than the next guy races his bike for whatever reason. Regardless of their level of experience, all amateur cyclists would have been exposed to doping in one way or another at some time in their career, whether it is actually doping themselves, being offered doping products, being tempted to dope, or just hearing about doping. Doping has been an integral part of the sport for decades and every amateur cyclist knows something about doping.

Fixed that for you Elapid. In my own amateur experience as well.
 
blackcat said:
I would agree.

I also want Landis to get an opportunity to get back. I do not see why Landis and Vinokourov should be scapegoated by the powers. (albeit they are a different case, as they did have a hearing and were found guilty) I hope Armstrong signs Floyd, even though I still then what Geoghagen and Landis did to Lemond was reprehensible. Landis was phenomenal in 2006, if you subtract the jour sans. I reckon he would be equal with Contador if they were competing on equal terms.

If Landis and Vino were doing nothing different, they should not be excoriated, one of the principles of natural justice is universality, and this is contravenes it writ large.

Landis is not being scapegoated. He is currently riding professionally as Domestic US Pro. However, for whatever reason he is not even riding very well on the US domestic circuit, certainly not well enough to get a pro tour team contract. I agree with you though, hopefully that will change for next year because the riders should all be treated equally under the rules and they often clearly are not.
 
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BikeCentric said:
Landis is not being scapegoated. He is currently riding professionally as Domestic US Pro. However, for whatever reason he is not even riding very well on the US domestic circuit, certainly not well enough to get a pro tour team contract. I agree with you though, hopefully that will change for next year because the riders should all be treated equally under the rules and they often clearly are not.

Bikecentric? I dont get it.

Reason he is not riding good is do to inability to use bmc climbing bike. trek madonna is only one that is close. worth 500 VAM points.

Why should stupid riders have same rights as smarter ones? i treat stupid people differently than smart ones like moi. bike racers shoudl be teh same. i calc future gt places from TV super computer whiz program. Im not some idiot on a forum. duh.

He said jack daniels caused him to fail urine test for anabolic. then he turns his althetic suporter loose in DPF to slander truth tellers. then will spills the beans on lemond issue, and calls from his own fone. lol. if he had 2 brains he wood be twice as stupid.

stupid people deserve harsher penalty, regardless of VAM.