What is wrong with Gesink?

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Hopefully it will indeed be something more special.

What suits Gesink better, Giro or Vuelta?

Vuelta, IMO.

 

[roundabout]

coming from an injury, yes. Otherwise, probably not.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

the giro he stands no chanche. too explosive and technical. vuelta is his best bet. he is also best in the heat and vuelta is perfect. however even in vuelta he crashes

 

[Havetts]

Hopefully it will indeed be something more special.

What suits Gesink better, Giro or Vuelta?

Vuelta for this year, otherwise I'd say Giro - usually long steep climbs.

 

[just some guy]

Mhm I thought 2013 was going to be insane in the membrane cause of the 100th edition of the Tour de France.. So I'm not sure if its going to follow the same principles as the 2012 edition.

Ya but there is also a long history or very long time trials

so if they are true to the Tour there will be lots of climbs - 2 over 65 km time trials and less sprint stages.

 

[Kvinto]

Meh, sometimes i think ASO should consider an idea of scheduling the Tour not only in July but every month including winter. It might satisfy hunger of the likes of Gesink for winning it - lets say somewhere in January in an epic battle with Lars Boom. Maybe then they'll start to choose not that trivial objectives

 

[theyoungest]

the giro he stands no chanche. too explosive and technical. vuelta is his best bet. he is also best in the heat and vuelta is perfect. however even in vuelta he crashes

Too explosive... yeah, that's why Ivan Basso won it twice

Gesink is like Basso the second... I can't think of a more perfect climb for him than the Zoncolan.

 

[The Hitch]

I've read somewhere that the 2013 Tour is likely to follow the same principles as 2012.

But with so many people claiming this years Tour was the greatest ever, why not follow this years Tour route?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

But with so many people claiming this years Tour was the greatest ever, why not follow this years Tour route?

I think only australians would say this tour was the greatest ever, since they aren't following cycling for years

 

[Zoncolan]

It was the best final week for quite some years.

 

[Tank Engine]

Anyway, back to Bob. Glad to hear that he's recovered quicker than I expected. As for next year, I guess he'll be aiming for the tour (he may well be in decent form by then), although the Vuelta would be a better bet for a podium.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Too explosive... yeah, that's why Ivan Basso won it twice

Gesink is like Basso the second... I can't think of a more perfect climb for him than the Zoncolan.

I'd love to see gesink on the zoncolan. I think it is hard to say how he would do at the giro, I do hope he tries it one day.

He did pretty well on angrliu when in his first gt.

Anyway I am disliking that he is hoping for the tour, I liked the Gesink who was dropping people in teh vuelta, not the gesink who was tting to a better place.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Gesink should go take on Andy at the Giro or do the vuelta. He can tt better than Andyand Gesink is a darn good climber. This may sound harsh but he is not going to podium and will struggle to top 5 at the tour. What will a top 5 do for him when he can win or podium at other GT's.

 

[greenedge]

Gesink won't be in good enough form in time to compete in the Giro next year. I think he can if he recovers try win a mountain stage at the TDF and then go to the Vuelta/ Canada to win/ prepare for the WC where he might have a chance or both.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Gesink won't be in good enough form in time to compete in the Giro next year. I think he can if he recovers try win a mountain stage at the TDF and then go to the Vuelta/ Canada to win/ prepare for the WC where he might have a chance or both.

Yes, it will be amusing to see the Dutch fail dismally again at a World Championships but especially at home. Where has Dutch cycling gone to?

 

[Kwibus]

Yes, it will be amusing to see the Dutch fail dismally again at a World Championships but especially at home. Where has Dutch cycling gone to?

I'm not too convinced Holland will do well at the WC since they simply lack a winner type like Gilbert or Evans for example. So it will be very hard for them to win the WC. I'm sure they will do a lot better compared to last 2 years, allthough the dutch didn't do bad in Geelong considering the riders they had there.

Also I think dutch cycling is getting better compared to the last 10 years. Plenty of talent, but they/we still miss a big champion though. Maybe 1 of the talents can develop into a champion, but right now I don't think any of these guys will become one. I hope I'm wrong

 

[Dutchsmurf]

What will a top 5 do for him when he can win or podium at other GT's.

Money, marketing and attention? The general public and the media will probably rank a Tour top 5 higher than a podium in another GT. He can only get more out of another GT if he wins it. Are the odds of him winning the Giro or Vuelta really higher than him getting a Tour top 5?

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

Yes, it will be amusing to see the Dutch fail dismally again at a World Championships but especially at home. Where has Dutch cycling gone to?

dutch cycling is improving dramatically. Just look at the best riders, all young.

agree with kwibus that we lack a winner or two tho.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Money, marketing and attention? The general public and the media will probably rank a Tour top 5 higher than a podium in another GT. He can only get more out of another GT if he wins it. Are the odds of him winning the Giro or Vuelta really higher than him getting a Tour top 5?

I personally think that a giro win would do much more than a Tour top 5. He's already had a top 6 at the tour. What will a top 5 differ from a top 6 in marketing/attention?

tlr, I was more looking at the current past few years where they haven't found the success they use to have. At WC's % classics they have been pretty dissapointing. Obviously the main source of successs that is starting to blossom is the stage racers which are still young but need to start consolidating on that potential and getting results.

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I personally think that a giro win would do much more than a Tour top 5. He's already had a top 6 at the tour. What will a top 5 differ from a top 6 in marketing/attention?

tlr, I was more looking at the current past few years where they haven't found the success they use to have. At WC's % classics they have been pretty dissapointing. Obviously the main source of successs that is starting to blossom is the stage racers which are still young but need to start consolidating on that potential and getting results.

boom's paris-roubaix and poels triple ardennes crown will make you choke on your words boy

 

[The Hitch]

The dutch always gather on the main MTF of the Tour, at least in the Alpes.

So 2012 would be a great year to skip the Tour since there is no major mtf for them to gather on.

 

[auscyclefan94]

The dutch always gather on the main MTF of the Tour, at least in the Alpes.

So 2012 would be a great year to skip the Tour since there is no major mtf for them to gather on.

It's not like Gesink will still be in the race or in gc contention at the 1st MTF. They should go to La Tousuirre just for a party with some nice Hos and to get hammered.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

dutch cycling is improving dramatically. Just look at the best riders, all young.

agree with kwibus that we lack a winner or two tho.

we've been ssying that for years now but somehow and for some reason every new generastion of huge talent fails.

thomas dekker, scheuneman, weening, posthuma, reus, giling, de kort etc etc

all where dominant in u23 and as neo pro's but then failed for whatever reasons. gesink seems to have same thing and boom is so inconsistent, same for langeveld and maaskant is always injured. just saying new huge talent kelderman has same problem. crashes and gets injured all the time. the talent is obvious there but somehow it keeps not delivering what it should

 

[theyoungest]

I personally think that a giro win would do much more than a Tour top 5. He's already had a top 6 at the tour. What will a top 5 differ from a top 6 in marketing/attention?

tlr, I was more looking at the current past few years where they haven't found the success they use to have. At WC's % classics they have been pretty dissapointing. Obviously the main source of successs that is starting to blossom is the stage racers which are still young but need to start consolidating on that potential and getting results.

The problem is that between Boogerd and Gesink/Dekker, there's a generation of riders that just isn't great. The guys who are now at the height of their career (around 30) aren't exactly stars.

Also, the really big results came in a time when cycling was bigger in Holland, and globalisation hadn't yet set in. It's only logical that we're no longer one of the major nations in cycling, and we shouldn't be regarded as such (or expected to be).

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

The problem is that between Boogerd and Gesink/Dekker, there's a generation of riders that just isn't great. The guys who are now at the height of their career (around 30) aren't exactly stars.

Also, the really big results came in a time when cycling was bigger in Holland, and globalisation hadn't yet set in. It's only logical that we're no longer one of the major nations in cycling, and we shouldn't be regarded as such (or expected to be).

why is that logical when a smaller country with less sport culture is doing a lot better like belgium