What is wrong with Gesink?

[theyoungest]

why is that logical when a smaller country with less sport culture is doing a lot better like belgium

Uhh... because the sport is much bigger there??

 

[boomcie]

we've been ssying that for years now but somehow and for some reason every new generastion of huge talent fails.

thomas dekker, scheuneman, weening, posthuma, reus, giling, de kort etc etc

all where dominant in u23 and as neo pro's but then failed for whatever reasons. gesink seems to have same thing and boom is so inconsistent, same for langeveld and maaskant is always injured. just saying new huge talent kelderman has same problem. crashes and gets injured all the time. the talent is obvious there but somehow it keeps not delivering what it should

It's utterly ridiculous to condemn an entire generation of cyclists to the shortcomings of its predecessors.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

It's utterly ridiculous to condemn an entire generation of cyclists to the shortcomings of its predecessors.

no but it's happened for quite some generations now so I would call it a structural problem and don't see why it would change now all of a sudden. in fact we used to ahve at least 1 or 2 topriders like boogerd and dekker but now we have better riders in quantity but none are even in top 25 of wt/uci whatever ranks I think

 

[auscyclefan94]

we've been ssying that for years now but somehow and for some reason every new generastion of huge talent fails.

thomas dekker, scheuneman, weening, posthuma, reus, giling, de kort etc etc

all where dominant in u23 and as neo pro's but then failed for whatever reasons. gesink seems to have same thing and boom is so inconsistent, same for langeveld and maaskant is always injured. just saying new huge talent kelderman has same problem. crashes and gets injured all the time. the talent is obvious there but somehow it keeps not delivering what it should

Well if that's the case then maybe the Cycling coaching programs need to be reviewed and possibly overhauled in the Netherlands.

 

[theyoungest]

no but it's happened for quite some generations now so I would call it a structural problem and don't see why it would change now all of a sudden. in fact we used to ahve at least 1 or 2 topriders like boogerd and dekker but now we have better riders in quantity but none are even in top 25 of wt/uci whatever ranks I think

Two of them are: Gesink and Mollema.

Well if that's the case then maybe the Cycling coaching programs need to be reviewed and possibly overhauled in the Netherlands.

And do what? Give them courses on how to crash without breaking bones?

There aren't really any countries with much better programs, in fact it seems like if you want to be able to climb, a Dutch team is the way to go. The Aussie system only delivers sprinters, the American system hardly delivers anyone, Belgium doesn't really have a system (maybe that's the way to go).

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

only mollema is in top 25, he is 23rd I mean back then we had erik dekker and boogerd who were 1 and 2nd in uci ranks in their height

 

[auscyclefan94]

There aren't really any countries with much better programs, in fact it seems like if you want to be able to climb, a Dutch team is the way to go. The Aussie system only delivers sprinters, the American system hardly delivers anyone, Belgium doesn't really have a system (maybe that's the way to go).

I'm sorry but I don't agree. If these guys are dominating the younger age groups and are not doing anything in the elite ranks then there is something wrong with the system which seems to be the programs in place. A system does not have to be a government funded institute like the AIS. It can just be development teams. Also have you seen the talent Australia has at the moment? We have brought through a lot of sprinters inthe past and will continue to but it is incorrect to say that we "only deliver sprinters" as maybe you should take a better look at our talent pool.

 

[theyoungest]

only mollema is in top 25, he is 23rd I mean back then we had erik dekker and boogerd who were 1 and 2nd in uci ranks in their height

Do you suffer from Gesink blindness? He's 18th. Mollema is 24th. Bot of them ahead of the first Colombian, Uran in 25th.

Last year Gesink finished in 7th.

I'm sorry but I don't agree. If these guys are dominating the younger age groups and are not doing anything in the elite ranks then there is something wrong with the system which seems to be the programs in place. A system does not have to be a government funded institute like the AIS. It can just be development teams. Also have you seen the talent Australia has at the moment? We have brought through a lot of sprinters inthe past and will continue to but it is incorrect to say that we "only deliver sprinters" as maybe you should take a better look at our talent pool.

There's a few sprinters, some of them can survive a hill, and a few time trialists. And Cadel Evans, hardly a new talent.

You're certainly way ahead of the Netherlands in terms of results, but not for young GC riders. Problem is, that's all we have at the moment.

 

[Netserk]

Do you suffer from Gesink blindness? He's 18th. Mollema is 24th. Bot of them ahead of the first Colombian, Uran in 25th.

Last year Gesink finished in 7th.

I think he meant cq..

 

[theyoungest]

I think he meant cq..

That's stupid, if he's talking about the UCI/WT ranks.

 

[Netserk]

That's stupid, if he's talking about the UCI/WT ranks.

Well yes it is, but Mollema is number 23 on cq, and Gesink isn't in the top 25

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

I think he meant cq..

yes. I forget what they call them nowadays,. in fact I always look at cyclebase rankings, which are same as cq and what used to be uci ranks that's why I called them uci rankings

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

I'm sorry but I don't agree. If these guys are dominating the younger age groups and are not doing anything in the elite ranks then there is something wrong with the system which seems to be the programs in place. A system does not have to be a government funded institute like the AIS. It can just be development teams. Also have you seen the talent Australia has at the moment? We have brought through a lot of sprinters inthe past and will continue to but it is incorrect to say that we "only deliver sprinters" as maybe you should take a better look at our talent pool.

lol come on. mainly sprinters and some ttrs.

don't stretch the truth.

there is still no obvious sucessor to evans. Name one young aussie who looks like he is gonna be a GC threat? And then even the hills... Ohhh Gerrans wow.

As for the dutch it is a baseless assumptiion to say the current crop are gonna fail, Boom, Poels, Gesink, Mollema, Kruijswijk etc are still in the early stages of thier career and have very impressive results as it is. I agree 100% that there was a generation fail between the gesink generation and the boogerd/dekker generation. But the current crop is looking good, so why should they review the program? Cause of speculation. FYI koen de kort, weening etc never look as good at the gesink generation or produced like results.

In the last couple years we have had multiple riders make top 10 in a GT, iMO positive progress.

@ ryo. gesink had a bad year, the last couple years tho he was one of the best. Mollema's 4th place was probably the first top 5 we have had in this milenium.

 

[nobilis]

Has this already been discussed? Gesink doing the Giro as a preparation for the tour? Seriously, what's wrong with him?

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=45116

 

[Kwibus]

Has this already been discussed? Gesink doing the Giro as a preparation for the tour? Seriously, what's wrong with him?

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=45116

http://www.telegraaf.nl/telesport/wielersport/10973965/__Giro_lonkt_voor_Robert_Gesink__.html?sn=wielersport

Yep he thinks that riding the Giro will be good for him in preparation of the TdF. He won't ride for the GC.
*facepalm*

 

[Kvinto]

Hmm... Doing Giro as a part of preparation for the Tour might be an appropriate solution for those riders who don't count on the spring races too much and considering his injury in the context of his possible recovery (full readiness) closer to the Ardennes it looks like he doesn't want to force his recuperation and sacrifices his spring in order to be in top shape for the Tour.

imo considering his injury it not that stupid

 

[theyoungest]

Has this already been discussed? Gesink doing the Giro as a preparation for the tour? Seriously, what's wrong with him?

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=45116

What do you mean? Did you expect him to go for GC?

He says he's thinking about doing the Giro to build up the necessary fitness and racing toughness again. It's very unusual for Gesink, a guy who needs very few racing kilometres to be good, but in this case it could be a wise decision.

BTW, in the same article he explicitly states that the goals for the team (classics + Tour) will be his goals too in the coming 10 years, so this could be the first and the last time we'll see him in the Giro.

 

[Kwibus]

Sometimes I wish I had the talent of guys like Andy or Gesink. I'd ride the Giro and Vuelta. And if I'd won 1 of them I'd target the TdF.

 

[theyoungest]

Sometimes I wish I had the talent of guys like Andy or Gesink. I'd ride the Giro and Vuelta. And if I'd won 1 of them I'd target the TdF.

I don't think that's how it works for these guys... they argue that your pro career is relatively short, and every year that you don't go for your ultimate goal (the Tour) is a lost opportunity. Schleck is almost certain to win the Giro when he starts there in top form, where's the challenge in that?

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

gesink going to ride giro. then he will crash there and won't ride tour again.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Yep, here's the story on VeloNation (copied from De Telegraaf).

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/10466/Gesink-considering-riding-Giro-dItalia-to-prepare-for-Tour-de-France.aspx?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+velonation_pro_cycling+%28Cycling+News+%26+Race+Results+%7C+VeloNation.com%29

Surely he's learnt something from what AC, Evans, Basso Wiggins etc (and I could go on) have experienced from riding the giro and then trying to ride the tour. Even if he doesn't ride for a top gc position he will still be too tired to get a good result at the tour. Vuelta should be his target but if he can find form in the giro then he should target giro.

 

[Kwibus]

I don't think that's how it works for these guys... they argue that your pro career is relatively short, and every year that you don't go for your ultimate goal (the Tour) is a lost opportunity. Schleck is almost certain to win the Giro when he starts there in top form, where's the challenge in that?

Almost certain, but I wouldn't bet my money on it really.

I know why they do it, but I just don't agree with it. It could be because I think Giro is more beautiful than the TdF or that I think the Vuelta is also a great race. These guys just let themselves lead by the media. For the media the TdF is the biggest race, but if the big guns ride the Giro instead of the TdF then the Giro will gain a lot more status as well.

 

[theyoungest]

Surely he's learnt something from what AC, Evans, Basso Wiggins etc (and I could go on) have experienced from riding the giro and then trying to ride the tour. Even if he doesn't ride for a top gc position he will still be too tired to get a good result at the tour.

Not in next year's slightly more humanized Giro. The last two years the Giro was crazy hard, but in 2009 both Wiggins and Armstrong rode the Giro, and got 4th and 3d respectively at the Tour.

Almost certain, but I wouldn't bet my money on it really.

Who's going to beat him? Surely not Basso.

I know why they do it, but I just don't agree with it. It could be because I think Giro is more beautiful than the TdF or that I think the Vuelta is also a great race. These guys just let themselves lead by the media. For the media the TdF is the biggest race, but if the big guns ride the Giro instead of the TdF then the Giro will gain a lot more status as well.

Cycling is certainly not the only sport where the biggest event is also the most boring. The bigger an event gets, the more money is involved, and the less risk people are willing to take. But that doesn't mean that a sportsman shouldn't aspire to do well at the most important event in his sport.

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

gesink going to ride giro. then he will crash there and won't ride tour again.

The Giro route isn't super technical and he he doesn't ride for GC. Who knows, he may actually complete a GT without crashing.

Aw, who am I kidding...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Oh well, maybe he'll fall in love with the Giro halfway through and forget the preparation idea.