Albatros said:Plenty. Not in those terms, but suggesting that without doping no chance of staying with the best.
I will make a compilation for you this weekend.
How would you know? Very easily. You always have been a top dog from your amateur days, and you learned that without the dope you couldn;t compete with the best. If this statement is repeated by many top riders, the chances of being true are very high, especially when you read some descriptions of the massive improve in performance, in some cases by people who had absolutely nothing to gain from that afirmation.
Nobody tells always the truth, and some things we believe are more opinions than reality. You may believe something is true but there is no means for you to know you are absolutely certain. On the other hand, if he says that when he took stimulants, the effect was almost magical, I am more bound to believe him, cause it suits my agenda like you said.
I mean, why would he lie about the effect of a drug when nobody cares even if he doped or not.
Consensus among who, cause if I go by confessions by some of the dopers and exdopers there is no way you could compete without taking the stuff, and that is the nub of the matter for me.
I would hope that these multiple examples you are gonna bring are from the relevant period, i.e the 80s. Not from a previous era or EPO era. Quoting guys like Anquteil is less than worthless as when his career took place, there were no dope controls at all so everyone was unrestricted to what they took. Likewise Coppi who was even earlier still.
At the end of the day, unless they say it was impossible to compete without doping, they are worthless. We also already know that doping was quite common in the 80s so again, I would expect more than guys just saying doping was commonplace and they doped because everyone else did.
The rest of your post is pure gibberish. Why would a guy like Voet who named and shamed multiple athletes then name Mottet as clean? Why would he lie about one particular rider who he didnt seem to have any real connection and whose career had finished years previously.