::::~ Wheelbuilders thread ~::::

[Bustedknuckle]

You are right about all of that but tubs are just too inconvenient for day to day use, and at 61 I will go with the clincher and Nancy tag, probably just an Old nancy boy.

I'm 62 and I use tubulars everyday...

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Earlier this year I was surprised to run into a long time customer at NAHBS, he handed off this stunning purple King R45 hubset and basically gave me free reign to do whatever with them. The end result.....

Yeah Bustedknuckle, pics work.

 

[42x16ss]

Earlier this year I was surprised to run into a long time customer at NAHBS, he handed off this stunning purple King R45 hubset and basically gave me free reign to do whatever with them. The end result.....

Yeah Bustedknuckle, pics work.

 

[Dermie]

I'm 62 and I use tubulars everyday...

Good on you, but not my cup of tea any more!!

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Earlier this year I was surprised to run into a long time customer at NAHBS, he handed off this stunning purple King R45 hubset and basically gave me free reign to do whatever with them. The end result.....

Yeah Bustedknuckle, pics work.

They work but not for me..at the bottom of the page, I see

"You may not post attachments"...when I post a response(?)

???

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

They work but not for me..at the bottom of the page, I see

"You may not post attachments"...when I post a response(?)

???

Hmmm, I remember way back when you had this problem and it was resolved fairly quick. What photo album are you using again?

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Hmmm, I remember way back when you had this problem and it was resolved fairly quick. What photo album are you using again?

Not, just finding a pic, saving it on my desk top and trying to attach to a post.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Not, just finding a pic, saving it on my desk top and trying to attach to a post.

Not how it's done. Have to use flickr or picasa and use their links, or a direct web addy of a photo.

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=19650

 

[LugHugger]

175 pounds, easy, use DT Revs or Sapim Laser front and non drive side rear. Use DT Comp or Sapim Race on drive side rear. Lace 3 cross thruout. Using brass Ployax or DT ProLock nipps a good idea.

So, I still haven't built these wheels yet! I've got this urge that I just can't budge to lace these 32h hubs as 'Classic tubs'. I know the 'tubs for racing (I don't any more), clinchers for training/leisure' mantra and I concur but I just can't get past the tubs build 'want'. There are only 2 choices for rims - Major Toms or Nemesis. My question is this - a few years back an old set of wheels laced to Mavic Reflex rims were 19mm wide fitted with 24c Pave's. After about 9 months of on/off riding, the rear tyre finally gave up the ghost, leaking caffe latex at the rim/tape boundary. I guessed that the tape rotted and got some grit in the material which finally resulted in a the tube perishing. So, given that I'll be fitting 25c Conti Competitions, will 23mm wide Toms or 21mm wide Nemesis be the better option for my purposes? 350/365 days of the year, I'm riding in a temperate maritime climate ie wet on typical chip and seal N European roads. Thanks in advance for your input.

 

[Dermie]

You are right about all of that but tubs are just too inconvenient for day to day use, and at 61 I will go with the clincher and Nancy tag, probably just an Old nancy boy.

Well nancey boys or girls I am going to try out a set of these http://www.curvecycling.com.au/ next week. They are a good price, a good weight and they are willing to let me have a set to try out best deal you can get. They sell direct from the builder, I will post here with a report in due time.
I obviously still have my old campag neutrons to swap with as a comparison so I will be able to try them on regular circuits one after the other, should be interesting........

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

What do people recommend in terms of hand built aero alu clinchers?

What about DT Swiss RR465 with CK hubs (or Tune??). Something ideally around 1500 grams or less....

 

[Bustedknuckle]

What do people recommend in terms of hand built aero alu clinchers?

What about DT Swiss RR465 with CK hubs (or Tune??). Something ideally around 1500 grams or less....

Well, 465 isn't very 'aero' and comes in 32h only(white in 28h)...

Velocity Deep V...18h front, 24 or 28h rear, aero-y spokes....gotta find some pretty light hubs(light front is pretty easy) to get around 1500 grams since the rims aren't light.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Thanks BK.

 

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[Archibald]

Anyone have an idea of what make of rim has a vertical HN logo?
There is literally nothing on the rims except an H over an N, like this;
H
N
and it's only on a little 'plate' that sits around the valve hole...

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Anyone have an idea of what make of rim has a vertical HN logo?
There is literally nothing on the rims except an H over an N, like this;
H
N
and it's only on a little 'plate' that sits around the valve hole...

H Plus Son TB14, great rim! I've built tons, and have a set on my daily commuter. Even built a few for disc brake set ups, because no silver brake track. Well, unless you go silver. They look so dang good with disc too because H+S anodize after machining the brake track.

From a wheel builders standpoint nothing builds as nice as double eyeletted rims, nothing! Another nice feature is their welded seam is almost invisible, even when looking closely in the stand. They don't use a sleeve at the joint so the balance is impeccable, no shimmy at speed. Very easy rim to build with. If you're good at finding even tension early these rims need almost no truing at the end.

http://hplusson.com/node/15

 

[King Boonen]

I've got HPlusSon Archetypes on my fixed wheel with BLB King hubs (female axle). Can't recommend them highly enough. Thinking I'll get TB14s when I have some nice wheels built for the road bike.

 

[Archibald]

Anyone have an idea of what make of rim has a vertical HN logo?
There is literally nothing on the rims except an H over an N, like this;
H
N
and it's only on a little 'plate' that sits around the valve hole...

H Plus Son TB14, great rim! I've built tons, and have a set on my daily commuter. Even built a few for disc brake set ups, because no silver brake track. Well, unless you go silver. They look so dang good with disc too because H+S anodize after machining the brake track.

From a wheel builders standpoint nothing builds as nice as double eyeletted rims, nothing! Another nice feature is their welded seam is almost invisible, even when looking closely in the stand. They don't use a sleeve at the joint so the balance is impeccable, no shimmy at speed. Very easy rim to build with. If you're good at finding even tension early these rims need almost no truing at the end.

http://hplusson.com/node/15

that's them.
I have the black ones on 105 hubs - seem a little heavy, but they've been excellent on the commuter.
Picked the pair up for $100 from seller claiming only had 1,000kms on them, but later told me 5,000kms...
Minor re-tension on a couple of spokes to start, and have been brilliant for the 3,300kms I've done on them. Just starting to concave on the braking surface, so their days are numbered...

Dopey question time: Could I get away with just replacing the rims, or would new spokes be essential?

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Anyone have an idea of what make of rim has a vertical HN logo?
There is literally nothing on the rims except an H over an N, like this;
H
N
and it's only on a little 'plate' that sits around the valve hole...

H Plus Son TB14, great rim! I've built tons, and have a set on my daily commuter. Even built a few for disc brake set ups, because no silver brake track. Well, unless you go silver. They look so dang good with disc too because H+S anodize after machining the brake track.

From a wheel builders standpoint nothing builds as nice as double eyeletted rims, nothing! Another nice feature is their welded seam is almost invisible, even when looking closely in the stand. They don't use a sleeve at the joint so the balance is impeccable, no shimmy at speed. Very easy rim to build with. If you're good at finding even tension early these rims need almost no truing at the end.

http://hplusson.com/node/15

that's them.
I have the black ones on 105 hubs - seem a little heavy, but they've been excellent on the commuter.
Picked the pair up for $100 from seller claiming only had 1,000kms on them, but later told me 5,000kms...
Minor re-tension on a couple of spokes to start, and have been brilliant for the 3,300kms I've done on them. Just starting to concave on the braking surface, so their days are numbered...

Dopey question time: Could I get away with just replacing the rims, or would new spokes be essential?

You could get away with it. I will reuse spokes in certain cases, not if the wheel had a history of broken spokes though. When spokes break that means either the build was bad, or the wheels were thrashed. Best to just start fresh for a rebuild. Spokes and nipples are cheap and the small investment is long term risk averse.

 

[Giuseppe Magnetico]

Anyone have an idea of what make of rim has a vertical HN logo?
There is literally nothing on the rims except an H over an N, like this;
H
N
and it's only on a little 'plate' that sits around the valve hole...

H Plus Son TB14, great rim! I've built tons, and have a set on my daily commuter. Even built a few for disc brake set ups, because no silver brake track. Well, unless you go silver. They look so dang good with disc too because H+S anodize after machining the brake track.

From a wheel builders standpoint nothing builds as nice as double eyeletted rims, nothing! Another nice feature is their welded seam is almost invisible, even when looking closely in the stand. They don't use a sleeve at the joint so the balance is impeccable, no shimmy at speed. Very easy rim to build with. If you're good at finding even tension early these rims need almost no truing at the end.

http://hplusson.com/node/15

that's them.
I have the black ones on 105 hubs - seem a little heavy, but they've been excellent on the commuter.
Picked the pair up for $100 from seller claiming only had 1,000kms on them, but later told me 5,000kms...
Minor re-tension on a couple of spokes to start, and have been brilliant for the 3,300kms I've done on them. Just starting to concave on the braking surface, so their days are numbered...

Dopey question time: Could I get away with just replacing the rims, or would new spokes be essential?

You could get away with it. I will reuse spokes in certain cases, not if the wheel had a history of broken spokes though. When spokes break that means either the build was bad, or the wheels were thrashed. In both cases you end up with a wheel set worth of spokes in which some have been under much higher stresses than the rest. Best to just start fresh for a rebuild. Spokes and nipples are cheap and the small investment is long term risk averse.

 

[Bustedknuckle]

Anyone have an idea of what make of rim has a vertical HN logo?
There is literally nothing on the rims except an H over an N, like this;
H
N
and it's only on a little 'plate' that sits around the valve hole...

H Plus Son TB14, great rim! I've built tons, and have a set on my daily commuter. Even built a few for disc brake set ups, because no silver brake track. Well, unless you go silver. They look so dang good with disc too because H+S anodize after machining the brake track.

From a wheel builders standpoint nothing builds as nice as double eyeletted rims, nothing! Another nice feature is their welded seam is almost invisible, even when looking closely in the stand. They don't use a sleeve at the joint so the balance is impeccable, no shimmy at speed. Very easy rim to build with. If you're good at finding even tension early these rims need almost no truing at the end.

http://hplusson.com/node/15

that's them.
I have the black ones on 105 hubs - seem a little heavy, but they've been excellent on the commuter.
Picked the pair up for $100 from seller claiming only had 1,000kms on them, but later told me 5,000kms...
Minor re-tension on a couple of spokes to start, and have been brilliant for the 3,300kms I've done on them. Just starting to concave on the braking surface, so their days are numbered...

Dopey question time: Could I get away with just replacing the rims, or would new spokes be essential?

If the wheel hasn't been wacked and the wheel's tension even and OK, sure, re-use them. I'd get new nipps but have reused spokes more than a couple of times.

 

[Archibald]

If the wheel hasn't been wacked and the wheel's tension even and OK, sure, re-use them. I'd get new nipps but have reused spokes more than a couple of times.

no whacks in my time.
had the build priced up and was nearly $500, which is pretty close to what the bike is probably now worth - but damn, I do like these wheels and would probably last quite a few years...

 

[Bustedknuckle]

If the wheel hasn't been wacked and the wheel's tension even and OK, sure, re-use them. I'd get new nipps but have reused spokes more than a couple of times.

no whacks in my time.
had the build priced up and was nearly $500, which is pretty close to what the bike is probably now worth - but damn, I do like these wheels and would probably last quite a few years...

$500???? Using old/your hubs?? Rims are about $80 per, I charge $50 labor per wheel and $1.15 per Sapim Race Spoke WITH SecureLock nipples....I'll do it for $325 plus shipping....send me your hubs. I have been building wheels for 31 years....

 

[Archibald]

If the wheel hasn't been wacked and the wheel's tension even and OK, sure, re-use them. I'd get new nipps but have reused spokes more than a couple of times.

no whacks in my time.
had the build priced up and was nearly $500, which is pretty close to what the bike is probably now worth - but damn, I do like these wheels and would probably last quite a few years...

$500???? Using old/your hubs?? Rims are about $80 per, I charge $50 labor per wheel and $1.15 per Sapim Race Spoke WITH SecureLock nipples....I'll do it for $325 plus shipping....send me your hubs. I have been building wheels for 31 years....

I'm not in the US...
Your $325 translates to almost $430 here - before international postal rates
Makes the $472+ about right then as international postage both ways will likely be more than $40 in total...

Appreciate the offer though.

 

[42x16ss]

If the wheel hasn't been wacked and the wheel's tension even and OK, sure, re-use them. I'd get new nipps but have reused spokes more than a couple of times.

no whacks in my time.
had the build priced up and was nearly $500, which is pretty close to what the bike is probably now worth - but damn, I do like these wheels and would probably last quite a few years...

$500???? Using old/your hubs?? Rims are about $80 per, I charge $50 labor per wheel and $1.15 per Sapim Race Spoke WITH SecureLock nipples....I'll do it for $325 plus shipping....send me your hubs. I have been building wheels for 31 years....

I'm not in the US...
Your $325 translates to almost $430 here - before international postal rates
Makes the $472+ about right then as international postage both ways will likely be more than $40 in total...

Appreciate the offer though.

Where are you located in Aus?