Fiemme said:
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GP4000 Tubulars cannot be repaired so I don't use them.
I use Conti Gatorskin Sprinters which out perform GP4000 Clinchers. And yes I have used clinchers and yes I have used GP4000 Tyres and Yes the ride quality of Tubulars is far better than clinchers and also allows for better cornering than GP4000 Clinchers or any clinchers for that matter.
Ride quality of tubulars was not something I disputed. It was the claim that a support car was needed to change a clincher I took issue with.
Fiemme said:
The Sprinters are the same price as the GP4000 Clinchers and i don't need the added expense of rim tape, an innertube and tyre levers to remove the clincher. Just $5 worth of tubular glue. Which you could buy for me as you seem to have a spare fiver.
No worries, want to swap the spare tubular you carry for my spare fiver?
Rim tape is a one-off cost, and the 3 wheelsets I have bought most recently have come pre-taped anyway. Tyre levers are also a one off
if you need them at all. I have no problems getting the tyre off without them, whether on my road bike (GP4000 on Dura Ace C24 CL) or various mtbs (Conti Mountain King 2.4 tubeless on Stans Crest rim, Maxxis ignitor 2.3 on a tubeless converted Mavic 317, Maxxis Larsen on Sun Ringle DS1 rims etc).
Fiemme said:
I do sincerely apologise for giving you a bagging. But i have heard all the excuses over the years of how "Good" clinchers are and all the crap from industry trolls about how great clinchers are. Industry trolls ...snip
It isn't hard to fit tubulars and it isn't hard to repair tubulars and they do allow you to corner better and when you flat they stop the rim from coming in contact with the road and reduce falls. I sincerely hope you try using them one day a realise what you are missing out on.
If you learn to repair the tubulars, even using Conti Competitions at $90 you will easily save the difference over a season of racing and training, as the repaired tyres will become training tyres.
Apology accepted.
But I still can't let go of the assertions about cost savings which you're not backing up. You're talking about saving money from repairing a tubular, but each time you do so you're using patches and glue, which would have to be at best a marginal cost saving over patching an inner tube. And that's before you get into how long it takes to make the repair.
Sure, you get less pinch flats with tubs if you're racing over cobbles, but in real life I'm not racing let alone on cobbles (apologies for the thread hijack btw) and can't remember the last pinch flat I had on my roadie - it would be quite a number of years ago (more than 4). Yes they happen, but aside from racing (where you can't necessarily see the road or change your line), they're a result of inattention, carelessness or poor bike handling. Flats from shards of glass, nails and staples I've had my fair share of, but they would happen with tubular tyres just the same.
Neither of these sorts of flats are making me throw out my clincher, it's a couple of minutes roadside to swap a tube and reinflate, then a couple of minutes at home to patch the tube for later reuse.
I've have had flats from cut sidewalls (rear once on a gravel road, front once on unknown highway debris (it was dark) riding at the front of a paceline at 30mph (living in UK at the time)) - I kept it upright both times, had insignificant rim damage, and tubular tyres would have suffered the same flat and likewise been for the rubbish bin not training.
Nothing stops you riding a clincher till the rubber is all gone any more than a tubular.
Fiemme said:
As for catching the beer on one ocasion I did manage to catch a full can of Coke that was thrown at me. As caught I up with the offenders at the next set of lights I poured it out over his car. I then proceeded to get my head kicked in as the three guys in the car jumped out and decided to teach the "Lycra Cladded ******" a lesson. I now train early in the morning as Bogans don't get out of bed until after lunch.
I have had a full VB thrown at me once, luckily it missed (they were oncoming at about 80km/h), and it was a can not a bottle. Had a soft drink in a maccas cup thrown at me commuting on pacific hwy north of sydney many years ago, emptied my water bottle on the guy's lap when I caught him at the next lights. Would have taken at least two changes of lights for him to get through and he didn't catch up to me again.
Thankfully where I live now, even though bogans are everywhere north of the "flannellette curtain", most of them are friendly. They'll have a verbal go but rarely in an angry way.
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