- Mar 10, 2009
Zigzigmeister said:This Horner thread has become a complete train wreck mods...get with it. Actually, that applies to most threads in the clinic.
Seriously, any talk of average speeds is completely stupid. You can't compare one set of stages, how the entire GT is designed, the distance, the various climbs/grades/weather/wind/competitors.
One of the worst ways to compare any race or ride in general, even for local group rides/training/racing...by average speeds. Too many variables.
Almost worst than saying the equipment is some % variable. Is it safe to say equipment has improved and performance has gone up, certainly, science can prove that piece to an extent. But even then, we still have track hour records where the weather/conditions on the track are very consistent, and guys even on older bikes, have times that are still incredible to this day, with "inferior" equipment compared to today's standards and marketing.
Unless you have written some massive mathematical formulas and can run extensive modelling like we are tracking hurricanes, you might have a chance to guess something...but that is bunk also.
The US Hurricane season was supposed to be one of the most active in recent history...yet, big bust...not even 1 storm has formed or come close to the US. The season is almost 2 months still from being over...but the "experts" and doomsdayers got it wrong with their science, match and super computer modelling again.
I completely agree. This is a perfect example of a thread that should have been closed. At best it represents wild speculation. I really wish the clinic was restricted to discussion of positive tests or real investigations but this constant trial by armchair dopes is exhaustive waste of time. There is no outcome or resolution, only he said she said. For the fans of the dark side there are plenty of real stories to discuss rather than endless discussion of every performance.
The clinic needs a doctor and a set of rules that stop this constant witch hunt and pseudo doping analysis. If anyone actually has evidence that CH or any rider is cheating then there should be no open discussion.
I might like to explore the doping practices of many of these clinic regulars. They must be on something?
No one has presented any evidence in 59 pages of discussion that would open an investigation on Chris H or F, never mind the countless pages devoted to CF alone. Not 1 shred of real evidence, only the inability of these posters to accept another possible idea and that is they raced clean. Just can't face the possibility that 1 rider in any race is the strongest. given the general opinion that all riders are dirty I fail to see the purpose of proving the winner is dirty if everyone he beat is too. I don't share that perspective and I have always maintained innocent without prof of wrongdoing.
Put my vote for greater restriction of the free for all discussions and it is too bad that more libel suits don't arise from these threads.
Hey a Sky rider is implicated in a Passport investigation. That is open for dissection now please close this and every other speculative thread. It might improve the quality of discussion here too.