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Now that Liestrong has lifted the veil on CC's "training system", how come no public statement from him?
Or maybe I missed it?
Or maybe I missed it?
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Where is Chris Carmichael?
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I see Max Testa gets a mention in the article.
Maybe Oprah should sit down with Eric Heiden next?
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1052280&postcount=1386
Hmm...perhaps a whole series should be dedicated to interviews with fake sports heros? Unfortunately one tv season may not be enough.
thehog said:
Maybe Oprah should sit down with Eric Heiden next?
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1052280&postcount=1386
Hmm...perhaps a whole series should be dedicated to interviews with fake sports heros? Unfortunately one tv season may not be enough.
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If it weren't for Lance bull****ting everyone about Carmichael being his "coach," the real question about him on most people's lips would be "Who is Chris Carmichael?"...that is the question he deserves in life. Hitching your wagon to a sociopath has its benefits I guess?
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just searched for his posts, thems a'lotta' posts on pedalling technique
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/search.php?searchid=2322950&pp=25&page=3
anyone wann'a' go troll him on cadence? and greenback commission slingbacks?
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/search.php?searchid=2322950&pp=25&page=3
anyone wann'a' go troll him on cadence? and greenback commission slingbacks?
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blackcat said:
I wish I had tape of his appearance on OLN or ESPN whatever it was back then. They brought him on as an analyst. He would talk about cadence and drinking water and desire. with a mouth full of marbles. they had to let him go because he was no word merchant to say the least.
Based on your search, my analogy stands
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This is a great post and a great question worth serious discussion actually.
One account has Carmichael approaching Armstrong and other young cyclists first..... hmmmmm
One might argue that it all started with Carmichael and his system was the groundwork for this whole charade.......
and then there is the allegation that Carmichael doped his riders without their knowledge or permission while they were under age.
this allegation has been around a long time but never seems to get much attention. Maybe now is the time. JV seems to know a bit on this subject...hmmmm and perhaps Gerrik Latta, Erich Kaiter, David Francis and Greg Strock could come out safely now.....
Read more: the hog posted this already but here is a clip
http://www.gazette.com/articles/carmichael-149946-armstrong-coach.html#ixzz2IcrNc61M
http://www.gazette.com/articles/carmichael-149946-armstrong-coach.html
--------------In 1989, Carmichael was hired to coach for the junior national cycling team at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs. He began scouting for talent to build a European-caliber roster. One of the first riders he called was an 18-year-old kid from Texas named Lance Armstrong.
“Chris told me he wanted to develop a whole new team of young American cyclists, the sport was stagnant in the U.S. and he was seeking fresh kids to rejuvenate it,” Armstrong wrote in his 2001 book, “It’s not About the Bike.”
Other young riders on the team included George Hincapie, Bobby Julich, Jonathan Vaughters, Gerrik Latta, Erich Kaiter, David Francis and Greg Strock.
Carmichael brought in experienced Danish racer René Wenzel to help coach as the team trained and raced in Europe and the United States in 1990 and 1991.
Hincapie, Julich, Vaughters and Armstrong went on to pro careers and all later tested positive or admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs.
Strock, Latta, Francis and Kaiter all later said Carmichael and Wenzel doped them without their knowledge or permission while they were under age.
A Carmichael spokesman would not comment until Saturday, after Armstrong’s televised confession aired. Armstrong did not mention Carmichael. Afterwards he spokesman refused to comment on doping allegations.
Strock, Kaiter, Hincapie, Vaughters and a number of other riders did not respond to requests for interviews.
Strock, who was 17 in 1990, said later he was given pills and injections daily and told they were “vitamins.”
After a race in Washington in 1990, Wenzel took Strock to Carmichael’s motel room, according to the book “From Lance to Landis” by David Walsh, where Carmichael appeared with a hard-sided briefcase.
“Inside were pills, ampoules and syringes. Selecting an ampoule and syringe, Carmichael inserted the needle into the ampoule, drew some liquid and injected Strock in the upper part of the buttocks,” Walsh wrote. Strock said he was told the injection was “extract of cortisone” — a substance that does not exist.
Stock later saw Carmichael at other races with the briefcase, Walsh wrote.
In 2000, Strock and Kaiter sued USA Cycling in Colorado, claiming the drugs had ruined their health. Latta brought a similar suit in Oregon.
USA Cycling in 2006 paid Strock and Kaiter $250,000 each, according to Walsh.
Carmichael kept his name out of the lawsuit, according to Walsh, by paying Strock an amount believed to be $20,000.
“Carmichael agreed to settle very quickly,” Wenzel told a Danish newspaper in 2006. “In hindsight that was probably a smart idea.”
Wenzel was fired as the team coach in 1992. Officially, it was part of a downsizing, but Bohlman said USCF staff told him it was due to doping.
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One account has Carmichael approaching Armstrong and other young cyclists first..... hmmmmm
One might argue that it all started with Carmichael and his system was the groundwork for this whole charade.......
and then there is the allegation that Carmichael doped his riders without their knowledge or permission while they were under age.
this allegation has been around a long time but never seems to get much attention. Maybe now is the time. JV seems to know a bit on this subject...hmmmm and perhaps Gerrik Latta, Erich Kaiter, David Francis and Greg Strock could come out safely now.....
Read more: the hog posted this already but here is a clip
http://www.gazette.com/articles/carmichael-149946-armstrong-coach.html#ixzz2IcrNc61M
http://www.gazette.com/articles/carmichael-149946-armstrong-coach.html
--------------In 1989, Carmichael was hired to coach for the junior national cycling team at the U.S. Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs. He began scouting for talent to build a European-caliber roster. One of the first riders he called was an 18-year-old kid from Texas named Lance Armstrong.
“Chris told me he wanted to develop a whole new team of young American cyclists, the sport was stagnant in the U.S. and he was seeking fresh kids to rejuvenate it,” Armstrong wrote in his 2001 book, “It’s not About the Bike.”
Other young riders on the team included George Hincapie, Bobby Julich, Jonathan Vaughters, Gerrik Latta, Erich Kaiter, David Francis and Greg Strock.
Carmichael brought in experienced Danish racer René Wenzel to help coach as the team trained and raced in Europe and the United States in 1990 and 1991.
Hincapie, Julich, Vaughters and Armstrong went on to pro careers and all later tested positive or admitted to using performance-enhancing drugs.
Strock, Latta, Francis and Kaiter all later said Carmichael and Wenzel doped them without their knowledge or permission while they were under age.
A Carmichael spokesman would not comment until Saturday, after Armstrong’s televised confession aired. Armstrong did not mention Carmichael. Afterwards he spokesman refused to comment on doping allegations.
Strock, Kaiter, Hincapie, Vaughters and a number of other riders did not respond to requests for interviews.
Strock, who was 17 in 1990, said later he was given pills and injections daily and told they were “vitamins.”
After a race in Washington in 1990, Wenzel took Strock to Carmichael’s motel room, according to the book “From Lance to Landis” by David Walsh, where Carmichael appeared with a hard-sided briefcase.
“Inside were pills, ampoules and syringes. Selecting an ampoule and syringe, Carmichael inserted the needle into the ampoule, drew some liquid and injected Strock in the upper part of the buttocks,” Walsh wrote. Strock said he was told the injection was “extract of cortisone” — a substance that does not exist.
Stock later saw Carmichael at other races with the briefcase, Walsh wrote.
In 2000, Strock and Kaiter sued USA Cycling in Colorado, claiming the drugs had ruined their health. Latta brought a similar suit in Oregon.
USA Cycling in 2006 paid Strock and Kaiter $250,000 each, according to Walsh.
Carmichael kept his name out of the lawsuit, according to Walsh, by paying Strock an amount believed to be $20,000.
“Carmichael agreed to settle very quickly,” Wenzel told a Danish newspaper in 2006. “In hindsight that was probably a smart idea.”
Wenzel was fired as the team coach in 1992. Officially, it was part of a downsizing, but Bohlman said USCF staff told him it was due to doping.
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Dave Lettieri http://www.fastrackbicycles.com/Fastrack/Who.html
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=2875
might have some relevant information.
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=2875
might have some relevant information.
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Boeing said:
Dope and Glory covered it pretty well. It leaves out the Carmichael reference.
http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500164_162-284958.html
The digging I did trying to come up with the list of riders in Carmichael's USAC doping program wasn't fruitful. I may have not been using the right Google mojo.
It amazes me that it has hardly ever come up. It's as if Wonderboy and Big George sprung out of anonymity wholly formed.
On the phone with Ferrari discussing training plans and Business enhancing drugs. BEDs. Definitely not laying down on the job.
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Finally!
This is probably posted elsewhere.
A writer **FINALLY** glued together the Wenzel/Carmichael doping with the USPS and later operations. Nice summary. Hopefully it is coherent enough to get some traction. The same story needs to run in a bigger media outlet.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/carmichael-149946-armstrong-coach.html
A comment on the story: "Went to camps at the OTC at that time and as a Junior we were told we were getting B-12 injections..." Chris was forcing it onto everyone!
Stay classy Chris!
This is probably posted elsewhere.
A writer **FINALLY** glued together the Wenzel/Carmichael doping with the USPS and later operations. Nice summary. Hopefully it is coherent enough to get some traction. The same story needs to run in a bigger media outlet.
http://www.gazette.com/articles/carmichael-149946-armstrong-coach.html
A comment on the story: "Went to camps at the OTC at that time and as a Junior we were told we were getting B-12 injections..." Chris was forcing it onto everyone!
Stay classy Chris!
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zalacain said:
Lol, even HE jumped ship. Regardless, it can't bode well for him and his "training program" now.
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