Where is Chris Carmichael?

[Semper Fidelis]

Some say his handle on here is coachfergie. but i can not confirm



Here is hoping that he will be living out of his 2010 Nissan Leaf in 20 years


Chris Comical is a board certified A$$ Clown.

concur.

Comical is in the US cycling Hall of Fame....OH MY ......I should be in there for no good reason also. haha

 

[DirtyWorks]

Why do you guys hate success? He's laughed at his critics all the way to the bank and back, several times over.

Carmichael is a child doper that made real money cheating, shooting who-knows-what into kids/athletes and not a single criminal action will come from it. That's the problem.

 

[Steve H.]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1119061/index.htm

 

[Jethro_A]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1119061/index.htm

L.A to L.A., quite an arc...

 

[BroDeal]

CTS has a pretty crappy rep for cookie cutter training plans, young and unexperienced "coaches, and high turnover.

 

[Oldman]

This is probably posted elsewhere.

A writer **FINALLY** glued together the Wenzel/Carmichael doping with the USPS and later operations. Nice summary. Hopefully it is coherent enough to get some traction. The same story needs to run in a bigger media outlet.

http://www.gazette.com/articles/carmichael-149946-armstrong-coach.html

A comment on the story: "Went to camps at the OTC at that time and as a Junior we were told we were getting B-12 injections..." Chris was forcing it onto everyone!

Stay classy Chris!

Yes, we posted of this several times and a few names are part of the revelations back then. Sadly, there were more talented junior than any of the names that stayed on chosing to quit when faced with the Carmichael/Wenzel "pro choice". I got a lot of sh*t years ago suggesting that several of our pro gems not only willingly took the administrations of juice from the USACers...some clamored for seconds. Lance was at the head of the line. Funny that Ferrari said Lance could have won the Tour clean. How would he know? Lance never was clean and was still middle of the group of juniors.
I've saved a poster from a local based team from '91: Granny's Gourmet Muffins. You'll see Kaiter on the team along with some older guys that were talented but maybe not destined for stardom. The balance of the team were talented a few of them rode more than one year more after their junior national team experiences. Lance couldn't hold their wheels...

 

[Puckfiend]

This is probably ancient news here, but I saw this link somewhere else today. Watched the video and was amazed. The truth was out there 12 years ago.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-57565886-10391709/somethings-fishy-in-cycling-our-first-report/

 

[Race Radio]

Remember when Rebecca Twigg was so disgusted with Chris she left the Olympics before her last event to get away from him?
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-01/news/ss-30168_1_individual-time-trial

Chris Comical "questioning her preparation"

there was a problem between her and the coach, Mr. Carmichael. She had a bad feeling about him.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

According to his FB page he's "Happy to be the Official Coaching and Sports Science Partner of the Hincapie Sportswear Development Team! " Plus ca change!

Given his history and that of Hincapie, this is really disturbing. Hopefully young riders and clothing consumers in Greenville will see the folly of this arrangement. It seems obscene to continue to mark out a reputation based on alleged successes due to cheating.

 

[mewmewmew13]

wow
Chris just doesn't go away….

 

[ScienceIsCool]

Remember when Rebecca Twigg was so disgusted with Chris she left the Olympics before her last event to get away from him?
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-01/news/ss-30168_1_individual-time-trial

Chris Comical "questioning her preparation"

Oh, sigh. Now *there* was a natural talent!

John Swanson

 

[Hugh Januss]

Given his history and that of Hincapie, this is really disturbing. Hopefully young riders and clothing consumers in Greenville will see the folly of this arrangement. It seems obscene to continue to mark out a reputation based on alleged successes due to cheating.

It kind of puts the lie to the whole "clean generation" that all of these people are still allowed to be involved.
Virtually across the board guys who doped their way to the top or made their careers on the success of dopers are the ones molding the "clean generation"? How does that even work? Remember kids dope is bad, I only made 7 million dollars by using it.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Given his history and that of Hincapie, this is really disturbing. Hopefully young riders and clothing consumers in Greenville will see the folly of this arrangement. It seems obscene to continue to mark out a reputation based on alleged successes due to cheating.

Not too long ago in another thread I got some very indifferent responses to Hincapie funding development. For some, the amnesia is swift and complete under the right conditions. Why not just bring back Livestrong development squad?

The beard is still writing infomercials at Road Bike Distraction as of the date of this post.

Carmichael highlights the problem is at the federation level. If a fair game really mattered, he wouldn't be allowed near the sport. It doesn't, so he's the most well-known cycling coach ever. And the sport remains as tainted by corruption and doping as ever.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Remember when Rebecca Twigg was so disgusted with Chris she left the Olympics before her last event to get away from him?
http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-01/news/ss-30168_1_individual-time-trial

Chris Comical "questioning her preparation"

Twigg's coach was Eddie B. I don't think a clash of cultures about the use of PED's would have been the source of the dispute but rather the feud Eddie B and Chris were having about who was responsible for Armstrong. Eddi B claims to be Lance's "father" rather than Carmichael. Eddie B did blood transfusions on 7 cyclists pre the 84 games and is reckoned to be the father of modern American cycling - ie he introduced European ways into a cleanish domestic scene.

 

[Race Radio]

Twigg's coach was Eddie B. I don't think a clash of cultures about the use of PED's would have been the source of the dispute but rather the feud Eddie B and Chris were having about who was responsible for Armstrong. Eddi B claims to be Lance's "father" rather than Carmichael. Eddie B did blood transfusions on 7 cyclists pre the 84 games and is reckoned to be the father of modern American cycling - ie he introduced European ways into a cleanish domestic scene.

A common misconception about Eddie B. I used to think he was some doping guru but all the folks I talk to say quite the opposite. It was Ed Burke who set up the transfusions and Eddie B was not informed of it until afterward

 

[eporesis]

A common misconception about Eddie B. I used to think he was some doping guru but all the folks I talk to say quite the opposite. It was Ed Burke who set up the transfusions and Eddie B was not informed of it until afterward

By all accounts, Eddie B profited from doping both in terms of reputation and wealth, but never instigated it and sought to keep it limited. Weisel's hires Gorsky and McCarthy have the same rep (as riders) in my circles. So a wholly different beast than Carmichael, who was both incompetent and a front.

 

[Benotti69]

Why has Tygart not gone after Carmichael, Eddie B or Och?

 

[Oldman]

By all accounts, Eddie B profited from doping both in terms of reputation and wealth, but never instigated it and sought to keep it limited. Weisel's hires Gorsky and McCarthy have the same rep (as riders) in my circles. So a wholly different beast than Carmichael, who was both incompetent and a front.

Speaking to the pre-USPS era this could have been a fair statement. Except, as noted through several threads; was administering stealth "vitamins"/steroids ala' Carmichael during the Montgomery Subaru days to Olympic team members...in Weisel's Park City home. He was a gun for hire and ran Masters camps back then. He could be considered the initial business model for Carmichael's "training".

 

[Neworld]

That's only possible if he changed his name, moved to NZ and actually learned something about coaching...

Don't let TexPat find out...he'll snap. Or, shove Coach Comicals head into a bubbling mud spring in Rotorua.

CC is paying Canadian Cycling magazine to post his adds ...that really pi$$es me off.

 

[Neworld]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1119061/index.htm

Thank you. Great read...I bet the authors for "Wheelmen" got a lot of info from that article.

 

[mewmewmew13]

A common misconception about Eddie B. I used to think he was some doping guru but all the folks I talk to say quite the opposite. It was Ed Burke who set up the transfusions and Eddie B was not informed of it until afterward

This. If you read more about the doping at the '84 Olympics it is obvious the EddieB was 'told' this is what was happening. EddieB seemed uncomfortable with it..the others threw it in Eddie's lap to do pr and explain…

Chris Comical was way more the 'shadowy figure'…time and again..

 

[Hugh Januss]

This. If you read more about the doping at the '84 Olympics it is obvious the EddieB was 'told' this is what was happening. EddieB seemed uncomfortable with it..the others threw it in Eddie's lap to do pr and explain…

Chris Comical was way more the 'shadowy figure'…time and again..

Except '84 Olympics Chris was on the team, but not selected for the road race. The shadowy stuff came later.

 

[TexPat]

By all accounts, Eddie B profited from doping both in terms of reputation and wealth, but never instigated it and sought to keep it limited. Weisel's hires Gorsky and McCarthy have the same rep (as riders) in my circles. So a wholly different beast than Carmichael, who was both incompetent and a front.

This was expressed openly when I was involved on several occassions. Carmichael was a side show, albeit a very profitable one for him. He was a hanger on who had not the brains to run with the bigger dogs who had taken over the enterprise. Somehow he managed to stay on.

 

[TexPat]

Don't let TexPat find out...he'll snap. Or, shove Coach Comicals head into a bubbling mud spring in Rotorua.

CC is paying Canadian Cycling magazine to post his adds ...that really pi$$es me off.

Sadly, I think there are plenty of people who would gladly employ him in the sport here. There is a lot of head in the sand action at Bike NZ and otherwise.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

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This was expressed openly when I was involved on several occassions. Carmichael was a side show, albeit a very profitable one for him. He was a hanger on who had not the brains to run with the bigger dogs who had taken over the enterprise. Somehow he managed to stay on.

As Landis accurately stated, Carmichael was the beard.

From Tylers book:

Here is what Postal riders say on the subject:
Jonathan Vaughters: In two years, I never heard Lance refer to Chris one time.
Floyd Landis: Give me a break. Carmichaels a nice guy, but he had nothing to do with Lance. Carmichael was a beard.
Christian Vande Velde: Chris had nothing to do with Lances daily training. I think his role was more like a friend, someone to talk about the bigger picture.