Who are the 'Riders' in the documents?

[sniper]

"Savoldelli" is probably the most often misspelled name in the history of cycling. It comes up as "Salvodelli" regularly even in the media, and when he rode for Roslotto I was sure "Salvodelli" was the correct form. It's not even that complicated of a name! Gah.
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[the asian]

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But on the other side, in his E-Mail to Stefano Ferrari in 2007 he says he had worked with Ferrari before



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what I understood was that Pena may have attended a training camp with Ferrari, but was not selected for the full Ferrari program

 

[the asian]

So, working with (and paying for) Ferrari doesn't automatically mean doping.

May be a relatively low key rider working for one year and paying pittance, but not a high profile rider working for a very long time and paying him huge amounts of dollars.

The riders who attend Ferrari's training camp are hoping he chooses them for the full scale doping program.

Ferrari picks the riders for the full program perhaps with input for the riders' teams and cheats the poor others.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

you want to here it's not Pena, don't you?

Zabriskie mentions in his report:

"I also recall being in Belgium for a race while on U.S. Postal and Rider-5 and Rider-8, who lived in Spain, came to the race hotel in Belgium even though they were not in the race."

If my research is correct, during his four years at US Postal Zabriskie took part in just two races in Belgium: Tour de la Region Wallonne 2004 and Ronde van België 2004 - and in both of them Pena was on the startlist as well and therefor would not match.

But on the other side, in his E-Mail to Stefano Ferrari in 2007 he says he had worked with Ferrari before



Zabriskie might also have mistaken Belgium with Holland or whatever. And also the length of his name would fit I think

the reason I'm asking is because to me number 8 is not clear as pena at all. since pena actually rode that tour of belgium and was actually leader there

 

[hrotha]

So, working with (and paying for) Ferrari doesn't automatically mean doping.

Probably not if you're so small fish as Bileka, who basically got in because he was friends with Popovych. Hard to see how bigger names who could afford paying wouldn't go to him specifically to dope.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Probably not if you're so small fish as Bileka, who basically got in because he was friends with Popovych. Hard to see how bigger names who could afford paying wouldn't go to him specifically to dope.

when was ferrari banned from cycling? he is right? because clearly he's also a very great trainer but once he was banned I think from thet time on anyone who was training under ferrari should be suspended just to get this all over with and get rid of him for good.

 

[search]

in Italy he was banned in 2002, but I think that ban was limited to italian cyclists. Apart from this I don't think he was ever banned officially somewhere else before 2012.

 

[Escarabajo]

Not testified and again not even a secret rider in the documents is oddly enough mister Kevin Livingston. But he must have been a key member in those first two years. What's up with that?

+1.

Anybody know anything about Livingston.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

My guess is this

It might be because Livingstone is not still active in cycling whereas the others are, or those named might be subject to future police investigation.

I think everyone who is redacted is either still active in cycling or could have violated their states laws.

If for example the French police were to feel Motoman's collar tonight if his name weren't redacted he might claim that the USADA report and witness statements prejudiced his chance of a fair trial.

Likewise, Julich could go to CAS and say that USADA prejudiced their investigation against him.

No one is interested in arresting or banning Livingstone, so he is named and not redacted as no further action could be taken against him.

 

[neineinei]

+1.

Anybody know anything about Livingston.

Walsh said on Twitter Livingston didn't co-operate with USADA. Anything he might have done also probably outside SOL, I guess.

 

[neineinei]

It might be because Livingstone is not still active in cycling whereas the others are, or those named might be subject to future police investigation.

I think everyone who is redacted is either still active in cycling or could have violated their states laws.

If for example the French police were to feel Motoman's collar tonight if his name weren't redacted he might claim that the USADA report and witness statements prejudiced his chance of a fair trial.

Likewise, Julich could go to CAS and say that USADA prejudiced their investigation against him.

No one is interested in arresting or banning Livingstone, so he is named and not redacted as no further action could be taken against him.

Poor Motoman, is it the police or the taxman who is after him?

 

[proffate]

(you can even see the tails of the 'y's creeping out from under the blackout)

 

[Parker]

It might be because Livingstone is not still active in cycling whereas the others are, or those named might be subject to future police investigation.

I think everyone who is redacted is either still active in cycling or could have violated their states laws.

If for example the French police were to feel Motoman's collar tonight if his name weren't redacted he might claim that the USADA report and witness statements prejudiced his chance of a fair trial.

Likewise, Julich could go to CAS and say that USADA prejudiced their investigation against him.

No one is interested in arresting or banning Livingstone, so he is named and not redacted as no further action could be taken against him.

What some of them, particularly the Americans like Julich, moght claim is that they should be given the same six month bans as Vande Velde, Zabriskie et al in return for a similar affidavit. After all, it's not their fault that USADA didn't approach them. And in my mond they would have a very fair point.

(Of course, if USADA had approached them that would be diiferent)

 

[Brooks Fahey Baldwin]

Is it possible that Rider 16 is Alberto Contador?
I might be wrong, but he is only mentioned in the 2007 Tour and was important enough to recieve a blood transfution with Leipheimer.

 

[JJGisberts]

So Pascal Demare, Cedric Vasseur, Kevin Livingston and Peter Meindert-Nielsen are the only riders at USPS who started in Lance 'A' team at the tour that were neither named as a rider nor as an withness.

 

[hrotha]

Pascal Deramé. Please don't butcher the poor guy's name - it got enough of a beating in the photo attachment to Betsy Andreu's affidavit.

 

[webvan]

Couldn't "Rider 16" be Bertie? That's what I took out from Levi's affidavit, haven't seen him appear elsewhere so far.

 

[JJGisberts]

Couldn't "Rider 16" be Bertie? That's what I took out from Levi's affidavit, haven't seen him appear elsewhere so far.

In the current list that number is attached to Popovych, I don't know why.

 

["Jeff"]

Pena's E mail to the Ferraris' is hilarious.
Poor guy has to ask whether they remember him, and speaks earnestly about him joining Rock Racing and the team wanting to do big things

I had to laugh as well.

For some reason it was kinda cute too.

 

[neineinei]

Why did USADA number the retracted names? WADA and UCI presumably got the full rapport, with no retractions, they don't need the numbers. Are the numbers used elsewhere in the rapport, or is it just an easter egg for the press and fans? It is fun calling Kjærgaard Rider-19, Matt White Rider-9, etc. The press seems to like it too.

 

[mycenos]

"Motoman" is Philippe Maire. From Hamilton's book:

After a few months, I [Daniel Coyle] located a person Hamilton identified, through a photograph, as Motoman. His full name is Philippe Maire. He lives in Cagnes-sur-Mer, a few miles from Nice, where he owns a high-end bike shop called Stars 'n' Bikes.

To the person wondering why Rider 8 has to be Victor Hugo Pena, by my reckoning:

Rider 8 was on the 2003 Tour team (Landis). He was not on the 2004 Tour team (also Landis, who lists himself, Armstrong, Hincapie, and Riders 2, 5, 6, 10, 11, and 12 for the full team of nine riders). The only two riders who were on the '03 team and not the '04 team were Heras and Pena. Heras (positive during Vuelta) is clearly Rider 7. So Pena must be Rider 8.

 

[mycenos]

Zabriskie mentions in his report:

"I also recall being in Belgium for a race while on U.S. Postal and Rider-5 and Rider-8, who lived in Spain, came to the race hotel in Belgium even though they were not in the race."

If my research is correct, during his four years at US Postal Zabriskie took part in just two races in Belgium: Tour de la Region Wallonne 2004 and Ronde van België 2004 - and in both of them Pena was on the startlist as well and therefor would not match.

Zabriskie was at other races in Belgium. Two good possibilities are Fleche Wallonne in 2002, and Tour of Belgium in 2003. Pena was not on either start list. Landis, who Zabriskie says is the one who told him Riders 5 and 8 came to see the team doctor, was also on the start list for both races.

 

[cineteq]

"Motoman" is Philippe Maire. From Hamilton's book:
After a few months, I [Daniel Coyle] located a person Hamilton identified, through a photograph, as Motoman. His full name is Philippe Maire. He lives in Cagnes-sur-Mer, a few miles from Nice, where he owns a high-end bike shop called Stars 'n' Bikes.

I wonder if he'll be at the start of stage 5 next year?

 

[staubsauger]

In the current list that number is attached to Popovych, I don't know why.

But shouldn't Popovych be already named earlier in the report? Definatly in 2005 when he was winning the white jearsey. So I would go for Contador too as he just joined Discovery Channel in 2007.

 

[GJB123]

Just bumping this thread as I am still working my way through all the affadavits. Any new ideas on the identities?