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Teams & Riders Who are The Top 10 Climbers of All Time

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Funnily enough, he never actually tested positive. Only got caught because his name was on the list of a doping doctor whose network was uncovered after an anti doping raid against some XC skiers. But I guess that's a discussion for a different forum.

On another note, I actually only don't care about spots 3 to 10. Number two is clearly Bernhard Kohl.
Felix Gall nummer 3? He humiliated vingegard on le loze
 
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Its the manner of the losses
A) absolutely destroyed
B) when it really counted
C) not just his main rival dropping him. Snce you mentioned him, he got caned by WvA.
He's young and may drop a few pounds and commit to grand tour racing, but at the minute I can't see it at all.
this is a dumb take. You judge cyclists on their best performances, not their worst ones, or else Sagan is a chump because he pulled out of a race once.
 
I can go back a long time as a cycling fan, but have only really been able to watch actual races as they became available to me in the 80's. Prior to that everything has been written with a few clips here and there.
I probably cling to the romantic vision that a climber is a rider soaring on his own in the mountains.

To me Pantani is the only rider that meets that vision that I have seen.
 
To me Pantani is the only rider that meets that vision that I have seen.
Agree. Pantani is just the eternal climbing legend.

Of course we cannot know if Ricco would have surpassed him one day. But Pantani‘s results speak for themselves.

I by the way am quite sure that the best Pantani was still to come. If there had been no tragedy in Madonna di Campiglio in 1999, Pantani‘s improvements as a rider certainly would have continued for another three to five years.

What I find surprising is that we as cycling supporters hardly get any comparisons of Pantani’s performance numbers to the numbers of Armstrong, Contador, Froome, Pogacar, Vingegaard, Roglic in their best times. I would love to get to know comparisons, when it comes to watts/kgs, vertical meters per hour, climbing times or speeds in kms/hr. One hardly reads about this, but it would be so interesting. So you could compare Pantani to the best climbers after his era.
 
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Agree. Pantani is just the eternal climbing legend.

Of course we cannot know if Ricco would have surpassed him one day. But Pantani‘s results speak for themselves.

I by the way am quite sure that the best Pantani was still to come. If there had been no tragedy in Madonna di Campiglio in 1999, Pantani‘s improvements as a rider certainly would have continued for another three to five years.

What I find surprising is that we as cycling supporters hardly get any comparisons of Pantani’s performance numbers to the numbers of Armstrong, Contador, Froome, Pogacar, Vingegaard, Roglic in their best times. I would love to get to know comparisons, when it comes to watts/kgs, vertical meters per hour, climbing times or speeds in kms/hr. One hardly reads about this, but it would be so interesting. So you could compare Pantani to the best climbers after his era.
What was his w/kg on alpe d heuz?? Did anybody know?
 
Suffers from severe recency bias. Bahamontes, Gaul, Fuente, Coppi, and Van Impe should be considered as well, and I would probably take any of them over Indurain.

I don't know about Indurain. He was absurdly consistent and could've won a lot of MTFs had he not decided not to.
Edit: ah my memory overblew how many he could've won but the rest of the rest of the post still makes a point I think.

Personally I don't believe in any sort of definite Top 10 list, because I guess the list looks quite different if your focus is on iconic rides or on consistent greatness. Indurain e.g. was almost never the first up the mountain, gifting away mountain sprints, but the ones in front of him were usually different and he was the only one doing it every day. On top of that he used to controll the speed from the front, so that count's for something as well.

If that makes him Top 10 in any of the coceivable lists I don't know but I think this maybe should be part of the perspective.
 
Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours
Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair
 

Alberto basically won 9 GTs on the road thanks to his excellent climbing (maybe except Giro'08) so no way. I would probably have him in top5 (my ranking takes into account both climbing speed and climbing achievements).

My revised list (decided to add Froomey as well!) in chronological order:

Coppi, Bahamontes, Gaul, Ocana, Pantani, Armstrong, Contador, Froome, Pogacar, Vingegaard.

Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours

Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair

This is pure SF territory.
 
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Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours
Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair
Froome when he loses the fat and gets the hard miles.
 
Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours
Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair
This is the 1


Two magical climbing victories in stages that don't even suit him, lodged inbetween an inexplicable 11:33 timeloss to Ivan Sosa.

'Yeah we don't really know what happened out there today'
 
Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours
Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair
You left out Porte on Willunga Hill.