Teams & Riders Who are The Top 10 Climbers of All Time

[Ilmaestro99]

Funnily enough, he never actually tested positive. Only got caught because his name was on the list of a doping doctor whose network was uncovered after an anti doping raid against some XC skiers. But I guess that's a discussion for a different forum.

On another note, I actually only don't care about spots 3 to 10. Number two is clearly Bernhard Kohl.

Felix Gall nummer 3? He humiliated vingegard on le loze

 

[BigCoward]

The guy whose results in GTs are 3rd, 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd isn't committed.

No. He goes balls to the wall in every race, he's amazing, he's my favourite cyclist by far. But if he wanted to beat JV at the tour above everything else, he would have a very different schedule. And ride differently from Jan to July.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

The GOAT.

View: https://youtu.be/TrPMUcEHsRY?si=Gmt2PBfKPebnPVTt

 

[proffate]

Its the manner of the losses
A) absolutely destroyed
B) when it really counted
C) not just his main rival dropping him. Snce you mentioned him, he got caned by WvA.
He's young and may drop a few pounds and commit to grand tour racing, but at the minute I can't see it at all.

this is a dumb take. You judge cyclists on their best performances, not their worst ones, or else Sagan is a chump because he pulled out of a race once.

 

[BigCoward]

this is a dumb take. You judge cyclists on their best performances, not their worst ones, or else Sagan is a chump because he pulled out of a race once.

Speaking of dumb takes.....
When it really mattered, he was found wanting. No shame in that, Vingo is a beast, but let's not pretend his main rival isn't streets ahead if him the last 2 years when it counted.

 

[Netserk]

Speaking of dumb takes.....
When it really mattered, he was found wanting. No shame in that, Vingo is a beast, but let's not pretend his main rival isn't streets ahead if him the last 2 years when it counted.

Indeed. It's not about best performances or worst performances - but most important performances.

 

[Wyndbrook]

I can go back a long time as a cycling fan, but have only really been able to watch actual races as they became available to me in the 80's. Prior to that everything has been written with a few clips here and there.
I probably cling to the romantic vision that a climber is a rider soaring on his own in the mountains.

To me Pantani is the only rider that meets that vision that I have seen.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

To me Pantani is the only rider that meets that vision that I have seen.

Agree. Pantani is just the eternal climbing legend.

Of course we cannot know if Ricco would have surpassed him one day. But Pantani‘s results speak for themselves.

I by the way am quite sure that the best Pantani was still to come. If there had been no tragedy in Madonna di Campiglio in 1999, Pantani‘s improvements as a rider certainly would have continued for another three to five years.

What I find surprising is that we as cycling supporters hardly get any comparisons of Pantani’s performance numbers to the numbers of Armstrong, Contador, Froome, Pogacar, Vingegaard, Roglic in their best times. I would love to get to know comparisons, when it comes to watts/kgs, vertical meters per hour, climbing times or speeds in kms/hr. One hardly reads about this, but it would be so interesting. So you could compare Pantani to the best climbers after his era.

 

[snipeheem]

Agree. Pantani is just the eternal climbing legend.

Of course we cannot know if Ricco would have surpassed him one day. But Pantani‘s results speak for themselves.

I by the way am quite sure that the best Pantani was still to come. If there had been no tragedy in Madonna di Campiglio in 1999, Pantani‘s improvements as a rider certainly would have continued for another three to five years.

What I find surprising is that we as cycling supporters hardly get any comparisons of Pantani’s performance numbers to the numbers of Armstrong, Contador, Froome, Pogacar, Vingegaard, Roglic in their best times. I would love to get to know comparisons, when it comes to watts/kgs, vertical meters per hour, climbing times or speeds in kms/hr. One hardly reads about this, but it would be so interesting. So you could compare Pantani to the best climbers after his era.

What was his w/kg on alpe d heuz?? Did anybody know?

 

[snipeheem]

You are just wrong. He won the mountains jersey multiple times. Dominated an era completely. Greatest cyclist of all time and is among the 10 best climbers for sure.

Your list was just bad, accept it.

Second greatest

 

[Peyroteo94]

Top10:
Pantani
Indurain
Armstrong
Vingegaard
Pogacar
Contador
Froome
Mercxx
Hinault
Lemond

 

[Monte Serra]

Top10:
Pantani
Indurain
Armstrong
Vingegaard
Pogacar
Contador
Froome
Mercxx
Hinault
Lemond

Suffers from severe recency bias. Bahamontes, Gaul, Fuente, Coppi, and Van Impe should be considered as well, and I would probably take any of them over Indurain.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Suffers from severe recency bias. Bahamontes, Gaul, Fuente, Coppi, and Van Impe should be considered as well, and I would probably take any of them over Indurain.

I don't know about Indurain. He was absurdly consistent and could've won a lot of MTFs had he not decided not to.
Edit: ah my memory overblew how many he could've won but the rest of the rest of the post still makes a point I think.

Personally I don't believe in any sort of definite Top 10 list, because I guess the list looks quite different if your focus is on iconic rides or on consistent greatness. Indurain e.g. was almost never the first up the mountain, gifting away mountain sprints, but the ones in front of him were usually different and he was the only one doing it every day. On top of that he used to controll the speed from the front, so that count's for something as well.

If that makes him Top 10 in any of the coceivable lists I don't know but I think this maybe should be part of the perspective.

 

[Salvarani]

Second greatest

Yeah, that has definitely changed

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Pogacar has won so many mountain stages and races that I'm willing to put him into top10 of my updated list (which already includes Vingo). However, I will have to think about it as I can't see anyone that should be erased from it!

 

[snipeheem]

Pogacar has won so many mountain stages and races that I'm willing to put him into top10 of my updated list (which already includes Vingo). However, I will have to think about it as I can't see anyone that should be erased from it!

Alberto

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours
Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Alberto

Alberto basically won 9 GTs on the road thanks to his excellent climbing (maybe except Giro'08) so no way. I would probably have him in top5 (my ranking takes into account both climbing speed and climbing achievements).

My revised list (decided to add Froomey as well!) in chronological order:

Coppi, Bahamontes, Gaul, Ocana, Pantani, Armstrong, Contador, Froome, Pogacar, Vingegaard.

Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours
Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair

This is pure SF territory.

 

[Froome]

Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours
Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair

Froome when he loses the fat and gets the hard miles.

 

[Tim Cahill]

Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours
Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair

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Vuelta Asturias Julio Alvarez Mendo 2022 Stage 3 results

Iván Ramiro Sosa is the winner of Vuelta Asturias Julio Alvarez Mendo 2022, before Lorenzo Fortunato and Nicolas Edet. Simon Yates is the winner of the final stage.

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Two magical climbing victories in stages that don't even suit him, lodged inbetween an inexplicable 11:33 timeloss to Ivan Sosa.

'Yeah we don't really know what happened out there today'

 

[Hugh Januss]

Discount anyone since the beginning of the EPO era. Include only the classic climbers who did it only on natural ability, guts, a 44X21 bottom gear and stimulants

 

[perico]

Balarcon or bust

 

[shalgo]

Remco when he weight 62.4kg exactly
Roglic when he hasn't crashed in the last 48 hours
Pogacar when there's an Italian teenager chasing his first ever win 2 minutes up the road
Buchmann in training
Dumolin after sh*tting himself
Simon Yates in Spanish 1.1 races
Adam yeates in Jebel hefeet
Nibali after being sh*t for 3 weeks
Almida after getting dropped by the peloton
Masnada if life was fair

You left out Porte on Willunga Hill.

 

[Froome]

People talking about top 10 climbers.....i just wanted to know how Horner could climb like that suddenly with 41 years!

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

People talking about top 10 climbers.....i just wanted to know how Horner could climb like that suddenly with 41 years!

Gravity was trying to avoid him for being a know it all.