Who deserves the Vélo d'Or the most so far?

[dacooley]

Re: Re:

there is no competition this year, Froome will win by a huge margin. tdf+olympic bronze vs 1 monument vs olympic road race

New to cycling?

yeah, i'm 8y old and started watched cycling this summer

That's what I thought so...

hm, the way a fan values one or other race depends on his/her age? highly questionable.

 

[El Pistolero]

Bump.

Froome won two Vuelta stages and placed second in the GC (proving once and for all that he can't win without his strong team )

Sagan won the GP Quebec and the European Championships. His next race is the Eneco Tour, where he'll also be the top favorite.

Who is on top according to you guys?

 

[El Pistolero]

Re: Re:

If Sagan wasn't such a deadweight in the Ronde van Vlaanderen last year then Greg might have already won his first Ronde then.

i hope you're joking because if not that was complete bs
1. if sagan wouldn't have been a dead weight then he would have probably beaten van avermaet for 3rd place or maybe more
2. van avermaet himself was not capable of catching terpstra and kristoff
3. there is no way in hell van avermaet would have beaten kristoff on a flat sprint even after 250 km

Kristoff and Terpstra got away by anticipating, GVA was the strongest on the hills. He was stronger than Sagan that day, possibly also stronger than Kristoff.

 

[Amnes2015]

even Quintana 2016 > Sagan 2016 lol

10 wins , most of them 50m sprints, give me a break

Froome
Quintana
and Sagan 3rd in any non laughable poll

 

[Red Rick]

If all that Sagan did is sprint, Froome's double attempt is overshadowed by the fact that the guy he lost to also rode the Tour and by losing in the way that he did.

 

[Echoes]

I gave Golden Greg my vote last year. How can it be any different this year.

He's proved to being stronger than Sagan on the tougher routes. Even in the Omloop he was better. He won a mid-mountain Tour of France stage which is worth something while the ones Sagan won are peanuts, he got Olympic champion when Sagan judged the route too hard for him. He won a good kermess (Gullegem). He won the harder of the two French-Canadian races. Only thing is he couldn't race the spring classics but due to a crash.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Right now, no doubt in my mind, Sagan. He'll need a good performance at the Eneco Tour and the Worlds to sway the judges though.

 

[Netserk]

As of now, I think Froome will win. Quintana will probably podium. I think Sagan has to be World Champion again to win.

 

[Popchu]

I gave Golden Greg my vote last year. How can it be any different this year.

He's proved to being stronger than Sagan on the tougher routes. Even in the Omloop he was better. He won a mid-mountain Tour of France stage which is worth something while the ones Sagan won are peanuts, he got Olympic champion when Sagan judged the route too hard for him. He won a good kermess (Gullegem). He won the harder of the two French-Canadian races. Only thing is he couldn't race the spring classics but due to a crash.

This is the winning argument!

 

[PremierAndrew]

Quintana has to be ahead of Greg at this point.

Greg's won OGRR, one stage of TdF, Tirreno and Montreal. It's a great season, but Quintana's season will be remembered for a long time: 3rd and 1st in consecutive grand tours is an incredible achievement

As for Froome v Sagan:

Froome:

5 GT stages (more than anyone else this year)
Tour
Vuelta 2nd
Stage win Romandie
Stage win + Overall Dauphine
Olympic Bronze
10 Victories overall

Sagan:
3 GT stages
Tour Green Jersey
Euro RR
RVV
GW
Quebec
2 stages at Suisse and California
11 victories overall

How is this even a question
Maybe if Sagan wins WCRR or Lombardia, but as good as Sagan's season has been, Froome's is arguably one of the best of the 21st century

 

[SKSemtex]

Re:

Quintana has to be ahead of Greg at this point.

Greg's won OGRR, one stage of TdF, Tirreno and Montreal. It's a great season, but Quintana's season will be remembered for a long time: 3rd and 1st in consecutive grand tours is an incredible achievement

As for Froome v Sagan:

Froome:

5 GT stages (more than anyone else this year)
Tour
Vuelta 2nd
Stage win Romandie
Stage win + Overall Dauphine
Olympic Bronze
10 Victories overall

Sagan:
3 GT stages
Tour Green Jersey
Euro RR
RVV
GW
Quebec
2 stages at Suisse and California
11 victories overall

How is this even a question
Maybe if Sagan wins WCRR or Lombardia, but as good as Sagan's season has been, Froome's is arguably one of the best of the 21st century

Sagan: as long as you count also podium places
3 GT stages + 5 podium ( podium more then 1/3 of all Tour stages)
Tour Green Jersey
Euro RR
RVV
GW
2. E3
Quebec / 2. Montreal
2 stages at Suisse and California
11 victories overall

All these beeing in Tinkoff which is like "really heavy" handicap against beeing in Sky. There is no doubt Froome in Tinkoff would finish the year without GT.

Last but not least in GT competition there is almost no competition, while in one day race ......

 

[LaFlorecita]

^ you forgot 2nd in Tirreno

 

[Singer01]

Re: Re:

Quintana has to be ahead of Greg at this point.

Greg's won OGRR, one stage of TdF, Tirreno and Montreal. It's a great season, but Quintana's season will be remembered for a long time: 3rd and 1st in consecutive grand tours is an incredible achievement

As for Froome v Sagan:

Froome:

5 GT stages (more than anyone else this year)
Tour
Vuelta 2nd
Stage win Romandie
Stage win + Overall Dauphine
Olympic Bronze
10 Victories overall

Sagan:
3 GT stages
Tour Green Jersey
Euro RR
RVV
GW
Quebec
2 stages at Suisse and California
11 victories overall

How is this even a question
Maybe if Sagan wins WCRR or Lombardia, but as good as Sagan's season has been, Froome's is arguably one of the best of the 21st century

Sagan: as long as you count also podium places
3 GT stages + 5 podium ( podium more then 1/3 of all Tour stages)
Tour Green Jersey
Euro RR
RVV
GW
2. E3
Quebec / 2. Montreal
2 stages at Suisse and California
11 victories overall

All these beeing in Tinkoff which is like "really heavy" handicap against beeing in Sky. There is no doubt Froome in Tinkoff would finish the year without GT.

Last but not least in GT competition there is almost no competition, while in one day race ......

There is a very great deal of doubt. He benefits from the strongest team obviously, but is by far the most complete of the GC favourites. Contador won the Giro last year with Tinkoff, to suggest Froome couldn't win a GC with that team is just complete guesswork. When Contador has lost over the last few years it was because he was weak (or crashed out), not because his team let him down, whereas Froome clearly was let down by a weak team at the Vuelta.

 

[SKSemtex]

Re:

Quintana has to be ahead of Greg at this point.

No way. Nothing against Quintana. But he is more less one trick pony. His podium in Tour was joke and perfect prove how poor is competition within GT contenders.

 

[PremierAndrew]

So you're telling me that after Froome almost won the Vuelta with *that* team around him and a Tour + Olympics programme in his legs, he wouldn't have won with a similar team at the Tour, let alone Tinkoff's team which is better than what Froome had around him at the Vuelta? Maybe he'd have won by 3 minutes instead of 4 due to Finault To suggest the best current stage racer wouldn't win without his team is ridiculous

You're right, having a 7/9 time GT winner, a 4 time GT winner, the likes of Quintana Kruijswijk Aru etc etc is no competition....

If Froome wasn't so good, there would be massive competition. For comparison's sake, what did Contador compete against in his prime? Schleck, a guy who had half the TTing ability of Quintana, Evans, who wasn't exactly the greatest climber we've ever seen etc. Who did Indurain have to beat on those ridiculously TT heavy routes?

If you're going to go there, Froome also three GT stage podiums this year. Not to mention that if Sagan is capable of winning a stage, the break isn't succeeding on that day. Froome otoh...

 

[SKSemtex]

Re: Re:

Quintana has to be ahead of Greg at this point.

Greg's won OGRR, one stage of TdF, Tirreno and Montreal. It's a great season, but Quintana's season will be remembered for a long time: 3rd and 1st in consecutive grand tours is an incredible achievement

As for Froome v Sagan:

Froome:

5 GT stages (more than anyone else this year)
Tour
Vuelta 2nd
Stage win Romandie
Stage win + Overall Dauphine
Olympic Bronze
10 Victories overall

Sagan:
3 GT stages
Tour Green Jersey
Euro RR
RVV
GW
Quebec
2 stages at Suisse and California
11 victories overall

How is this even a question
Maybe if Sagan wins WCRR or Lombardia, but as good as Sagan's season has been, Froome's is arguably one of the best of the 21st century

Sagan: as long as you count also podium places
3 GT stages + 5 podium ( podium more then 1/3 of all Tour stages)
Tour Green Jersey
Euro RR
RVV
GW
2. E3
Quebec / 2. Montreal
2 stages at Suisse and California
11 victories overall

All these beeing in Tinkoff which is like "really heavy" handicap against beeing in Sky. There is no doubt Froome in Tinkoff would finish the year without GT.

Last but not least in GT competition there is almost no competition, while in one day race ......

There is a very great deal of doubt. He benefits from the strongest team obviously, but is by far the most complete of the GC favourites. Contador won the Giro last year with Tinkoff, to suggest Froome couldn't win a GC with that team is just complete guesswork. When Contador has lost over the last few years it was because he was weak (or crashed out), not because his team let him down, whereas Froome clearly was let down by a weak team at the Vuelta.

I know it is gueswark , And of course I was exgenerating. But can you imagine Sagan palmares if he is in Etixx and all team work just for him. Everybody would just hate him :lol:

 

[WillemS]

The Froome hate on this forum so strong that he'll probably won't even win this poll if he wins every WT race in the season.

I like Sagan more than Froome, especially the way he races and the television that delivers us. However, Froome's results are incredible this season. Van Avermaet doesn't even rate close to him.

 

[Echoes]

This is the winning argument!

It's just a notch below a flat GT stage. Gullegem is the greatest kermess there is in Belgium nowadays. He beat Boonen, Cancellara, Debusschere, Lampaert and Van der Sande to get that one.

Gullegem added to all the rest of his season, that's big.

The Froome hate on this forum so strong that he'll probably won't even win this poll if he wins every WT race in the season.

How do you know I hate him? I'm indifferent and don't remember what he's done so big this season.

I do feel hatred for Sagan like I've never felt for any rider in history. But I'm still objective. Greg defeated Sagan more often than not this season, especially on tougher races. And when it mattered for him to race, namely at the Olympics, Sagan shirked.

 

[Singer01]

This is the winning argument!

It's just a notch below a flat GT stage. Gullegem is the greatest kermess there is in Belgium nowadays. He beat Boonen, Cancellara, Debusschere, Lampaert and Van der Sande to get that one.

Gullegem added to all the rest of his season, that's big.

The Froome hate on this forum so strong that he'll probably won't even win this poll if he wins every WT race in the season.

How do you know I hate him? I'm indifferent and don't remember what he's done so big this season.

I do feel hatred for Sagan like I've never felt for any rider in history. But I'm still objective. Greg defeated Sagan more often than not this season, especially on tougher races. And when it mattered for him to race, namely at the Olympics, Sagan shirked.

he had some ok results in some minor stage races!

 

[hrotha]

How many post-Tour crits did he win though.

 

[SKSemtex]

This is the winning argument!

It's just a notch below a flat GT stage. Gullegem is the greatest kermess there is in Belgium nowadays. He beat Boonen, Cancellara, Debusschere, Lampaert and Van der Sande to get that one.

Gullegem added to all the rest of his season, that's big.

The Froome hate on this forum so strong that he'll probably won't even win this poll if he wins every WT race in the season.

How do you know I hate him? I'm indifferent and don't remember what he's done so big this season.

I do feel hatred for Sagan like I've never felt for any rider in history. But I'm still objective. Greg defeated Sagan more often than not this season, especially on tougher races. And when it mattered for him to race, namely at the Olympics, Sagan shirked.

LOL. There is nothing like being objective. . Objective is one of the most stupid words. It is allways somebody's subjective opinion or subjective opinion of certain group of people that could be wrong or right.
And you with your hate of Sagan are very very far even from subjective opinion of really big group of people.
And I really hate when people try to say they are objective.

 

[saganboss]

i know you hate sagan echoes, but to say sagan's wins were just sprints is stupid. he won flanders after a 30 k attack, 15 of those on his own, he won stage 11 of tour after an amazing attack, he won stage 2 in front of your boy van avermaet , he won a stage in suisse after bridging to the BOTD, he won a california stage beating van avermaet again, but yeah van avarmaet is so much better because he beat him in omloop and one win in montreal where sagan was in front for the last 2 km. and give me a break with the tour win, that was against grivko and degendt, surely not the best climbers in the world, yeah , he was strong but you make it seem like it was the best win ever. and another thing , why do you think van avermaet would have had a chance at winning flanders even if he would've been ok. he dindn't even finished with the front group in wevelgem and let's face it in a flat sprint sagan beats greg 90% of the time.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

Sagan deserves to win the Vélo d'Or the most so far

But in line with Valverde only getting 3th in this competition in 2014 (!!), big chance this will go to Froome.

 

[SKSemtex]

Sagan wining in WCRR or GDL will close this thread.
More and more I think rhere will be no bunch sprint in Doha. As I see it know it is Germany, GB (France) against the rest. Sagan is beatable in smaller group especially being isolated and agaist two strong riders from 2-3 teams. If they allowe bunch sprint it is only two men show :Cav and Kittel (Greipel)

 

[Valv.Piti]

Very hard to judge, but as of right now:

1. Froome
2. Sagan
3. GVA/Quintana