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Who is a clean rider

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This guy has no known associations with dopers
 
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MellowJohnny said:
To support now?

I'm wondering if there are any that haven't been linked with doping in the past at all? - perhaps some of the one day riders!
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There are loads of riders with no connection to doping, at least in the sense of "no positives, no first hand allegations, no investigations, never on a team with a scandal featuring team doping". Too many to list, although few riders over about 28 will have gone through their career without passing through a dubious team at some point.

Being able to differentiate with certainty the clean from the lucky would require psychic powers, however. And there are riders with "connections" to doping through the above criteria who nevertheless weren't doping (Bassons or Moncoutie for example).

By the criteria above, pretty much anyone youngish who started their career at a team without a major doping scandal and then stayed there would make the cut.
 
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Unfortunately I can't seem to find many
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Really? Go through the rosters of teams like FdJ or Garmin. Find the younger dudes who effectively started out there. That'll give you a large base number to start with.

You will have difficulty finding older riders who weren't on a dubious team at some point though.
 
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Really? Go through the rosters of teams like FdJ or Garmin. Find the younger dudes who effectively started out there. That'll give you a large base number to start with.

You will have difficulty finding older riders who weren't on a dubious team at some point though.
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Thats a good point thanks, Jack Bauer maybe and Jerome Coppell
 
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Safe bets?

I'd say Gustav Larsson and Thomas Lovkvist.

Remember, Larsson was one of this first (and only), if not the first pro that came out and said: "Of course he doped" about Armstrong. Send a pretty strong indications that he is by no means an Omertà guy.

I'd like to say Gesink as well. Then of course, the list goes on. Just hard to be sure these days.
 
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The Chicken said:
I don't think so.
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On what basis?

No positives, no allegations, never been on a team involved in a scandal. Didn't ride in the days when we know for a fact that almost all riders at the sharp end of major races were doping. Has never produced any feats that are beyond human physiological expectations.

So there's no direct or circumstantial evidence beyond "he's a professional cyclist".

And there are the minor, potentially corroborative issues like career long affiliation to bike pure and his apparent inability to produce consistent performances day after day.
 
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On what basis?

No positives, no allegations, never been on a team involved in a scandal. Didn't ride in the days when we know for a fact that almost all riders at the sharp end of major races were doping. Has never produced any feats that are beyond human physiological expectations.

So there's no direct or circumstantial evidence beyond "he's a professional cyclist".

And there are the minor, potentially corroborative issues like career long affiliation to bike pure and his apparent inability to produce consistent performances day after day.
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Try this for starters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZEPIcz-ko8

Don't think he could be competitve at that Vuelta on bread & water. Just my opinion. :)
 
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Try this for starters:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZEPIcz-ko8

Don't think he could be competitve at that Vuelta on bread & water. Just my opinion. :)
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He was so "competitive" he finished 13th at that Vuelta, behind such towering GC riders as Nieve and Sorensen. In doing so, he never put out inherently suspicious numbers and he had two pretty dreadful days. What's he supposed to have done that we couldn't expect from him clean? Win a small bunch sprint of the sort he often does?

13th is the same position David Moncoutie managed in the 2002 Tour de France, a race with a considerably stronger field some of whom really were putting out superhuman numbers.

If failing to break the Vuelta top 10 in your best Grand Tour GC performance is an indication of doping, then we really are screwed.
 
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