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Miburo said:Yeah sure
The Hitch said:Hes got a point. Dudes already been 2nd in worlds, 6th MSR, 4th in Olympics and won a giro prologue.
So even assuming he doesnt improve hes gonna get some world titles, stage wins up the ***, and maybe a classic.
He hasn't been in the top-10 in a monument yet. Unlike Phinney.El Pistolero said:Kwiatkowski right now has shown a lot more already than Phinney. And I like both of them.
Sure Phinney is the better time trial specialist, but Kwiatkowski is better in everything else and that includes classics.
Netserk said:He hasn't been in the top-10 in a monument yet. Unlike Phinney.
El Pistolero said:Milan-San Remo was hardly a Monument this year with its short length. And even then, Phinney just escaped from a peloton that couldn't care less anymore.
Kwiatkowski on the other hand was very strong at the Ronde(much stronger than Farrar's top ten at the Ronde van Vlaanderen), Amstel Gold Race and FW.
Netserk said:He hasn't been in the top-10 in a monument yet. Unlike Phinney.
Viking said:They look like they're at the same age as Vino when he joined the pro peloton. Maybe a little older.
Afrank said:The peloton still cared I think. And even though the distance was shortened, the rain and snow and terrible weather are enough to make it just as difficult (or at least close too) as it would have been had it not been shortened. Therefore it was still a monument IMO.
Both Kwiatkowski and Phinney could be included in the poll. This is the first year Kwiatkowski has been up there in the biggest races and showing himself to be a great rider to watch in the future. We'll have to see how he develops further. And Phinney is continuing on improving from last year. Both are gonna be big talents.
El Pistolero said:Kwiatkowski right now has shown a lot more already than Phinney. And I like both of them.
Sure Phinney is the better time trial specialist, but Kwiatkowski is better in everything else and that includes classics.
The Hitch said:Your not there until your there. Just look at gesink.
Flower looks like he's not far off, like just a little more improvement he'll be challenging for monuments. But he's not there yet and that improvement may never come.
phinney is there. In the tts anyways, the worlds time trial showed that. I know you don't rate time trials cos you don't like canc, but you'll get over that when a Belgian gets good at it.
that said, phinney was extremely overrated on here 2 weeks ago with all the fangirl Americans and some haters, honestly believing he was going to challenge Spartacus.
El Pistolero said:Does that make Kuurne-Brussel-Kuurne also a Monument? Some people are good in bad weather, but that doesn't mean they're good in long distance races. Just look at Stannard.
MSR this year was not a normal edition.
Afrank said:I agree it wasn't a normal edition, but I'm not sure it did a whole lot to effect the final outcome.
Netserk said:He hasn't been in the top-10 in a monument yet. Unlike Phinney.
Pentacycle said:It was the only monument where both Stannard(83 kg) and Phinney(85 kg) finished in the top ten. Coincidence? I think not.
In 'normal' Italian primavera weather they'd be blasted away on the Poggio. And the peloton was too cold to care about preparing a sprint.