Who will win the Olympic ITT?

[Montanus]

For EBH fanboys out there, don't expect anything spectacular tomorrow.

EBH says he hasn't focused on TT this year. He is aiming for top 20, says he hopes he can be between 15 and 20.

But take comfort, he promises to give it all...

- Det er ikke tempo jeg har trent for i år, og jeg har ikke fokusert på det i det hele tatt. Jeg kjører rittet i hovedsak bare fordi det er OL, og jeg er allerede ferdig med fellesstarten. Da har det ikke noe å si for resultatet der, sa 25-åringen.

Ambisjoner om en topplassering har han ikke. Boasson Hagen håper han kan komme blant de 20 beste.

- Det er ikke voldsomt til målsetting, og jeg håper jeg kan være med og kjempe om en bedre plassering, mellom 15 og 20. Jeg skal gi absolutt alt for å være best mulig.

http://www.dagbladet.no/2012/07/30/sport/sykling/ol/sommer-ol/ol_i_london/22747345/

 

[rainman]

So how do they decide who goes when? World Championship results or something? Seems right to me that Martin should get to go last as he currently has the rainbow bands.

May not be an advantage if it starts raining during the event.

 

[Richeypen]

The rules are that everybody in the TT has to participate in the road race. I don't think Durbridge has ever done a race that long and Australia had lots of people to choose from who have proven effective over that distance. If they'd known Evans couldn't ride then I think they would have selected Porte for the other TT spot.

Mickael Bourgain FTW

 

[greenedge]

Wiggins, Phinney then one of Cancellara, Martin or Larsson.

 

[RedZone]

 

[Panda Claws]

Gilbert to his first gold medal.

 

[Montanus]

If I am right.. Wiggles, Froome, etc.. rode until exaustion last Saturday.. How much this will impact in their performance in the Time trial?! Are they Human? Because if they are... I will not expect a great show from the GB guys...

The ITT is 4 days after the RR so there is plenty of time to recover, question is if they will recover 100%. Martin dropped out early in the RR, Cancellara and Phinney didn't need to go as hard as Wiggo and Froome. Froome was more or less finished after Box Hill, Wiggo seemed to have a bit more left in the engine.

I think Wiggo will do a good performance tomorrow, but I'm more unsure of Froome. The course is fairly flat, only with some small bumps, a tougher course would have suited him much better. Froome also seems to performe best in ITT during 3 week stage races. An ITT in the Olympics and WC is a bit different.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Have you even seen the race? Claiming Cancellara didn't have to go as hard? He went on the attack to win, then fell out of the race and is pretty banged up. It was even uncertain until yesterday wether he'd even start.

 

[Montanus]

Have you even seen the race? Claiming Cancellara didn't have to go as hard? He went on the attack to win, then fell out of the race and is pretty banged up. It was even uncertain until yesterday wether he'd even start.

Cancellara attacked on the last lap on Box Hill. He reached the front fairly quick, just in a couple of kilometers. With about 45k to go he didn't pull an iota infront, until he got to the front before swing he eventually crashed in. Last 20k he just roled in, all banged up. I'm sure Canc had quiet a lot left in the tank when he crashed. So no, I'm sure he didn't spend as much energy as Froome and Wiggo. But you are right about the crash, it will probably effect him somewhat tomorrow.

 

[will10]

Cancellara attacked on the last lap on Box Hill. He reached the front fairly quick, just in a couple of kilometers. With about 45k to go he didn't pull an iota infront, until he got to the front before swing he eventually crashed in. Last 20k he just roled in, all banged up. I'm sure Canc had quiet a lot left in the tank when he crashed. So no, I'm sure he didn't spend as much energy as Froome and Wiggo. But you are right about the crash, it will probably effect him somewhat tomorrow.

You are massively underestimated how much a hard crash takes out of you.

Am I allowed to post Ferrari's rule of thumb for power loss from a crash or does that only belong in the clinic?

 

[Bavarianrider]

:d:d :d

 

[Montanus]

You are massively underestimated how much a hard crash takes out of you.

Am I allowed to post Ferrari's rule of thumb for power loss from a crash or does that only belong in the clinic?

Disregarding the effects of the crash, which I can't judge because I don't know who bad it was for Canc and how much it has taken out of him, in the race alone Canc didn't spend as much energy as Froome and Wiggo. He had the perfect race up until the crash, well protected in the peleton for almost 200k, then an attack with LLS et al for some kilometers until they reached the break. Well infront he had his teammates Schar and Albasini doing some really good work, alongside other riders like Tejay, Nordhaug and Castroviejo.
Unfortunately he crashed with just under 20k to go when he probably was about to attack.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

When they almost feared for a broken bone and although he didn't break anything, he was clearly in a lot of pain.

A body spends energy on recovering injuries. That energy is therefore lost and you can't have your full 100% power for the next race.
THat showed in the Tour as well. From the mass crash to Metz, with 70 riders down, more than 25 eventually gave up. Some immediately, some after a few days, some in the last week. Others that continued performed far under their usual level.

You really underestimate the negative effect a crash can have on results. Not all crashes have to be bad. If you're lucky and come through relatively unscathed or only sustain minor injuries to non-crucial parts for a cyclist you might perform.

 

[auscyclefan94]

Quite amusing how so many athletes sponsored by Swisse have done badly since they were sponsored by them.

 

[Montanus]

When they almost feared for a broken bone and although he didn't break anything, he was clearly in a lot of pain.

A body spends energy on recovering injuries. That energy is therefore lost and you can't have your full 100% power for the next race.
THat showed in the Tour as well. From the mass crash to Metz, with 70 riders down, more than 25 eventually gave up. Some immediately, some after a few days, some in the last week. Others that continued performed far under their usual level.

You really underestimate the negative effect a crash can have on results. Not all crashes have to be bad. If you're lucky and come through relatively unscathed or only sustain minor injuries to non-crucial parts for a cyclist you might perform.

Well, we just don't know how much the crash will effect him do we? Maybe it will effect him much maybe it won't. He was out riding his TT bike for 70k yesterday, in some pain yes, but it still worked. An advantage for Canc relative Fromme/Wiggo is that he only did half of TdF, and didn't spend as much energy in the RR as Froome/Wiggo. With Wiggo/Froome I see a fatigue risk due to a hard TdF and tough Olympic RR.

 

[El Pistolero]

Obvious Gilbert win is obvious.

 

[will10]

Well, we just don't know how much the crash will effect him do we? Maybe it will effect him much maybe it won't. He was out riding his TT bike for 70k yesterday, in some pain yes, but it still worked. An advantage for Canc relative Fromme/Wiggo is that he only did half of TdF, and didn't spend as much energy in the RR as Froome/Wiggo. With Wiggo/Froome I see a fatigue risk due to a hard TdF and tough Olympic RR.

No but we know the crash was bad enough that he wasn't sure if he'd be able to ride on Wednesday, let alone the next day had it been in a stage race. Ferrari reckoned a hard crash can cost you up to 10% FTP for ~10 days. That's enough to bring a potential winner of the TT down to 5th or 6th in this field.

 

[Montanus]

Here are profiles for both the men's and women's time trail:

http://cykelsnack.eurosport.se/loaders/oo.php?objid=548

Notice that it sould be 44 and not 49 in the end of profile for the men's race

 

[Aapjes]

That showed in the Tour as well. From the mass crash to Metz, with 70 riders down, more than 25 eventually gave up. Some immediately, some after a few days, some in the last week. Others that continued performed far under their usual level.

There is a big difference between having to race on the day(s) after a crash and having time to recover. It's quite possible for him to be at 99% or so, I think. Just look at how some of the crashed riders were present in the olympics again (like Gesink).

Judging by the video from the crash, I would guess that his legs are mostly unhurt. Sufficient time should have passed for his body to have recovered quite a bit. I think the biggest question is whether he can maintain good posture for an hour.

 

[Montanus]

No but we know the crash was bad enough that he wasn't sure if he'd be able to ride on Wednesday, let alone the next day had it been in a stage race. Ferrari reckoned a hard crash can cost you up to 10% FTP for ~10 days. That's enough to bring a potential winner of the TT down to 5th or 6th in this field.

That could just have been a precautionary statement, unsure how he would feel in a day or two. Now, he has decided to race, and that might be an indication the he doesn't feel the injury/injuries will hamper his chances to go for gold. Not sure Canc would race if he didn't feel well enough to challange for gold.

But it's all speculation. Guess Wednesday we will see what state Cancellara is in.

 

[The Hitch]

So we have had a lot of discussion about Cancellaras injury, and unfortunately one has to be very optimistic to expect him to challenge after that.

But what about Tony Martin. He has a hand injury or something? I saw him together with the Syrian and Georgian guys in the road race before dropping out. Was he just doing the rr to get that tt spot or is he off form?

 

[will10]

So we have had a lot of discussion about Cancellaras injury, and unfortunately one has to be very optimistic to expect him to challenge after that.

But what about Tony Martin. He has a hand injury or something? I saw him t ogether with the Syrian and Georgian guys in the road race before dropping out. Was he just doing the rr to get that tt spot or is he off form?

Tony helped GB with the pace for a short period before pulling out. Bavarian Rider on here said Tony had had trouble with his hand.

 

[Montanus]

So we have had a lot of discussion about Cancellaras injury, and unfortunately one has to be very optimistic to expect him to challenge after that.

But what about Tony Martin. He has a hand injury or something? I saw him together with the Syrian and Georgian guys in the road race before dropping out. Was he just doing the rr to get that tt spot or is he off form?

I was also curious about that. On the one hand you could interpet it that he must be out of shape or the hand was hurting, because a fresh Martin would have been really important in trying to catch the break in the last 40k, especially since the break had some strong riders in it and team GB had done a lot of work and was getting tired. On the other hand, Team Germany might have decided that Martin should save himself because he got a better chance for gold than Griepel, and they gambled that team GB would be able to bring back the break alone or with some help from Grabsch and some other team. That Martin did some work up front on the Box Hill circuit might indicate this: they used him early on to save some energy for other german domestiques and team GB, and could thereby save him from doing all 250k and keeping him relatively fresh for tomorrow.

 

[Don't be late Pedro]

What about the Womens ITT. Anyone got any thoughts on that?

Pooley (GB)
Arndt (Ger)
Villumsen (NZ)
Armstrong (USA)
Van Dijk (NED)
Neben (USA)
Vos (NED)

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Michael Rogers with a chance at two Olympic time trial medals

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/1...-Olympic-time-trial-medals.aspx#ixzz22DUFVl2k

Come on Roggy!! you can do it.

haters hrotha,libertine and roundabout dont comment