Who will win the Vuelta Ciclista al Pais Vasco?

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Netserk said:
edition my ***.

Stage 1 finish (It's very difficult to map because of no official map, and the timetable isn't great with detail, but the finish should be a little bit farer away (6.7km from the top of the last climb)):

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The descent is quite technical and on a narrow road.


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oh i thought the climb was easy ! Great info !:rolleyes:
 
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I'm going with Alberto. Also his faithful helper Kreuziger can feature in the top ten, profiles are good for him and hilly IT he can do very well. Question is his form, cause he's preparing for Ardennes.
If his goal would be Volta al Pais Vasco, he's candidate for podium.
 
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This race could present a great opportunity for Tejay. If he can hang with Contador and Valverde over all the climbs then pull off a strong ride in the TT he could win. I'll be cheering for him.

But going by my head, I think Contador will take this. He's got the climbing form to win, still hasn't shown much in the way of TT. But the course of it is perfect for him to start showing some TT form on. Valverde might cause a bit of trouble with sprints and bonus seconds, but he should be able to handle him well enough on the MTF and TT.

So Tejay or Contador FTW. Could see Valverde winning also, or Kwiat (but I think he'll be focused more on Ardennes).

What's the breakdown for the bonus seconds BTW?
 
Not sure about TJ because Catalunya and País Vasco are, while both climbers' races, almost diametrically opposed in types of climb. Catalunya is full of long gradual climbs, País Vasco is the land of short-to-medium climbs of brutal steepness, and the TT is full of turns, climbing and descending. While he's certainly more than capable in these, it's not really what he's best known for. You thought a climb with a 13% average in the Vuelta al País Vasco was going to be easy?! The first stage could arguably be the most decisive, I wish they were doing the quick double with Lazkaomendi like they are on the first time around. That would really open things up straight away.

Stage 2 is the "easy" stage with the rolling finale, and at least we'll get to see some of the most beautiful villages and towns in Iparralde such as Ainhoa and Sare, which don't feature on the route often. Stage 3, let's be clear, is also for a sort of bunch finish. Zaldiaran is not exactly hard.

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It's rather like an easier version of the first stage in 2013, and is very similar to stage 2 in 2012, when Daryl Impey held off the chasing bunch by a couple of seconds.

Stage 4 is now more or less set in stone, with the usual suspects - Karabieta - Elorrio - Ixua (otherwise known as all of the important bits from Arrate), the fairly easy San Miguel then the summit finish.

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If we must persist with Arrate every year (I really wish we could have Urkiola one year, Bianditz another, Sollube another and so on) then I really wish they'd go back to the old route in doing Karabieta from the southeast via Elgeta rather than the Eibar side, then descending straight into the Arrate climb. That could be linked to Kanpazar or Elgeta from Elorrio, or the easier side of Elosua from Azkoitia, which could in turn be connected to the double climb of Endoia + Azurki from Zestoa, giving us a finale that looks like this:

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As it is, however, the gaps will as ever be relatively small on Arrate, which will keep the final couple of stages interesting but hopefully better than in 2011 where gaps were too small. I am rather disappointed with the Markina stage, however, which could have been so much better. Instead we get the easy side of Ixua followed by the not exactly mindblowing San Miguel. They could have had Ixua as a final climb and then had the MTF somewhere else instead of doing the same climbs two days running; they could have had Goierri then the easier side of Lekoitz-Gane back to Markina; they could have climbed the oft-mooted, never-included north side of Monte Oiz as far as San Kristobál, descended into Iurreta then had Trabakua as the final climb; or they could have stayed with what they have and finished with a climb to San Cristobál de Iturreta if there was room (I don't think there is)... I'm a little disappointed even if I'm marking out a bit as one of my friends is from Markina and they're starting the TT outside the original jai-alai frontón.

True story though: the TT is really tough and should probably be the final 20k or so of the road stage into Markina. This is a tough TT even by País Vasco standards, with perhaps only the super technical Oñati route from 2012 tougher.
 
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Netserk said:
IIRC there wasn't any bonus seconds last year, so perhaps also none this year?

Will benefit Contador if there are indeed no bonus seconds.
 
Libertine Seguros said:

The only thing I'd do different with the route, would be to do the final loop in stage 5 the other way around. Sure it's a bit silly to have the same loop as the ITT the day before, and I would also prefer something else there, but it's no biggie for me. All in all I'm quite happy with the route.
 
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I'm going to say Valverde given how he was going in Belgium. Either way this is one of my favorite non GT stage races.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Not sure about TJ because Catalunya and País Vasco are, while both climbers' races, almost diametrically opposed in types of climb. Catalunya is full of long gradual climbs, País Vasco is the land of short-to-medium climbs of brutal steepness, and the TT is full of turns, climbing and descending. While he's certainly more than capable in these, it's not really what he's best known for. You thought a climb with a 13% average in the Vuelta al País Vasco was going to be easy?! The first stage could arguably be the most decisive, I wish they were doing the quick double with Lazkaomendi like they are on the first time around. That would really open things up straight away.

Stage 2 is the "easy" stage with the rolling finale, and at least we'll get to see some of the most beautiful villages and towns in Iparralde such as Ainhoa and Sare, which don't feature on the route often. Stage 3, let's be clear, is also for a sort of bunch finish. Zaldiaran is not exactly hard.

zaldiaran1.gif


It's rather like an easier version of the first stage in 2013, and is very similar to stage 2 in 2012, when Daryl Impey held off the chasing bunch by a couple of seconds.

Stage 4 is now more or less set in stone, with the usual suspects - Karabieta - Elorrio - Ixua (otherwise known as all of the important bits from Arrate), the fairly easy San Miguel then the summit finish.

Arrate.gif


If we must persist with Arrate every year (I really wish we could have Urkiola one year, Bianditz another, Sollube another and so on) then I really wish they'd go back to the old route in doing Karabieta from the southeast via Elgeta rather than the Eibar side, then descending straight into the Arrate climb. That could be linked to Kanpazar or Elgeta from Elorrio, or the easier side of Elosua from Azkoitia, which could in turn be connected to the double climb of Endoia + Azurki from Zestoa, giving us a finale that looks like this:

2webgci.png


As it is, however, the gaps will as ever be relatively small on Arrate, which will keep the final couple of stages interesting but hopefully better than in 2011 where gaps were too small. I am rather disappointed with the Markina stage, however, which could have been so much better. Instead we get the easy side of Ixua followed by the not exactly mindblowing San Miguel. They could have had Ixua as a final climb and then had the MTF somewhere else instead of doing the same climbs two days running; they could have had Goierri then the easier side of Lekoitz-Gane back to Markina; they could have climbed the oft-mooted, never-included north side of Monte Oiz as far as San Kristobál, descended into Iurreta then had Trabakua as the final climb; or they could have stayed with what they have and finished with a climb to San Cristobál de Iturreta if there was room (I don't think there is)... I'm a little disappointed even if I'm marking out a bit as one of my friends is from Markina and they're starting the TT outside the original jai-alai frontón.

True story though: the TT is really tough and should probably be the final 20k or so of the road stage into Markina. This is a tough TT even by País Vasco standards, with perhaps only the super technical Oñati route from 2012 tougher.

This was a truly spectacular post. 10/10. Thanks for the all the geography insight.

Replying to TvG and the profile: he looked pretty damn explosive in Catalunya. I wonder if he might have an improved short game in 2014. Would certainly help with this race.
 
BigMac said:
Moderators, anyone, please make the poll public.


The route seems fairly easy, and what a line-up! Looking forward to nice racing, without rain.

1. Valverde
2. Tejay
3. Costa
4.Contador
5. Pinot
6. Mollema
7. Betancur
8. Kwiatkwoski
9. Cunego
10. Bakelants

I don't really expect Mollema. His form has been kind of doubtful recently.
 
I think Contador will take this, because i'm assuming it's his last big spring goal, he can leave it all out there and be focussed 100%. Valverde and Rui Costa are doing this as preparation for Ardennes(LBL in particular) and i think that will take some focus away. I also think that the ITT will be very decisive and that it suits Contador well, i'm not so worried about the ITT in TA it really didn't suit Contador and he had the race in the bag.

Van Garderen might be a big threat, but i think Contador is the stronger rider.
 
I don't get all the Valverde votes. He'd probably have to be the best of the GC riders in the ITT to win this, since he will wait for the sprint in the other stages and not attack to gain time. In the first stage I could see it being anything from a solo to a 10-man sprint, with Valverde winning the sprint and getting the leader's jersey. Then try to snatch a stage or two (or even three, lol) more, all while winning different size of group sprints. I don't think he'll take any time on Contador on any of the road stages, and I really doubt he could beat Contador in the ITT, although it does also suit Valverde quite well. All in all I see no chance for him to win the GC unless he drops Contador in either stage 1 or 4, but he could very well end on the podium and the points jersey + some stages and wearing the leader's jersey for some days, which he'll probably be quite contempt with, given his major aim is Liege.
 
Dekker_Tifosi said:
Actually Mollema says on his own website his plan was to peak for Tirreno and MSR but that failed.
Yeah, but no Rabo/Belkin rider will ever peak when they say they will, due to the Delahaye method. I think Mollema will be better in Pais Vasco, he needs the races in his legs (as he also says on his website).
 
Netserk said:
I don't get all the Valverde votes. He'd probably have to be the best of the GC riders in the ITT to win this, since he will wait for the sprint in the other stages and not attack to gain time. In the first stage I could see it being anything from a solo to a 10-man sprint, with Valverde winning the sprint and getting the leader's jersey. Then try to snatch a stage or two (or even three, lol) more, all while winning different size of group sprints. I don't think he'll take any time on Contador on any of the road stages, and I really doubt he could beat Contador in the ITT, although it does also suit Valverde quite well. All in all I see no chance for him to win the GC unless he drops Contador in either stage 1 or 4, but he could very well end on the podium and the points jersey + some stages and wearing the leader's jersey for some days, which he'll probably be quite contempt with, given his major aim is Liege.

These are also the reasons why I think he can win it. He'll hang with Contador on all stages, I don't see him dropped on any of the climbs, while outsprinting him at finish and he can place above Alberto in ITT. Of course it's all a personal prediction and he'll end up on the podium like he usually does.
 
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Netserk said:
I don't get all the Valverde votes. He'd probably have to be the best of the GC riders in the ITT to win this, since he will wait for the sprint in the other stages and not attack to gain time. In the first stage I could see it being anything from a solo to a 10-man sprint, with Valverde winning the sprint and getting the leader's jersey. Then try to snatch a stage or two (or even three, lol) more, all while winning different size of group sprints. I don't think he'll take any time on Contador on any of the road stages, and I really doubt he could beat Contador in the ITT, although it does also suit Valverde quite well. All in all I see no chance for him to win the GC unless he drops Contador in either stage 1 or 4, but he could very well end on the podium and the points jersey + some stages and wearing the leader's jersey for some days, which he'll probably be quite contempt with, given his major aim is Liege.

Valverde won a tough and long ITT in the Dauphine in the past, and always rides good TT's in PV. Of course, Contador is better TT'er..... in a Tour de France TT. But in a TT like in Pais Vasco? I'm not sure about that.
 
Arredondo said:
Valverde won a tough and long ITT in the Dauphine in the past, and always rides good TT's in PV. Of course, Contador is better TT'er..... in a Tour de France TT. But in a TT like in Pais Vasco? I'm not sure about that.

AC was better on the hilly TT in TdF, but he is probably not gonna gain the amount of seconds that Valverde will gain in bonus seconds (I assume there are bonus seconds) on AC before that stage. Valverde and AC are equally big favourites the way I see it.