Who would have Two Big Wins in their Career?

[El Pistolero]

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By the way, Indurain is not a legend. Pantani is.

Google their name: Indurain gives you 1 million hits, Pantani gives you over 2 million hits.

Youtube: Indurain: 32000 results, Pantani: 75000 results.

Froome 4,710,000 google results

legend enough for you?

Froome is a cyclist that's still active and the internet is much bigger now than it was in the nineties. Ergo they're not comparable.

Fact is that Pantani is objectively more well known than Indurain and they were active during the same era.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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By the way, Indurain is not a legend. Pantani is.

Google their name: Indurain gives you 1 million hits, Pantani gives you over 2 million hits.

Youtube: Indurain: 32000 results, Pantani: 75000 results.

Froome 4,710,000 google results

legend enough for you?

Froome is a cyclist that's still active and the internet is much bigger now than it was in the nineties. Ergo they're not comparable.

Fact is that Pantani is objectively more well known than Indurain and they were active during the same era.

You're contradicting yourself. Indurain retired in 1996 when the internet had approximately 35 million users. Pantani retired in 2003 when the internet had approximately 700 million users.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Reading El Pistolero's ridiculous posts when coming home from a hard day with a cup of tea. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[del1962]

And who gets "About 13,900,000 results"

 

[Valv.Piti]

Hey, hey, I have Youtube-hits and you don't, I am therefore legendary and you are not!

 

[barmaher]

This forum gets more and more crazy. The google thing is the most ridiculous way to compare riders. Especially as Pantani had a tempestuous last few years, with expulsions, doping bans, bizarre media appearances and a tragic death accounting for thousands of media coverage than Indurain, who retired back to rural Spain.

 

[rick james]

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And who gets "About 13,900,000 results"

me?

 

[DBotero]

So Indurain&Valverde&Froome don't qualify for the legendary status because some people don't like their style :lol:
Let's ignore their results as they are boring.
Judging by Google there is only one legend around with 14.400.000 results

From those riders in the pole i think Diego Rosa is looking like a good bet.Chaves and Stannard might have a chance too.

 

[DFA123]

Sean Kelly gets nearly 70,000,000 hits. Which I believe makes him about 170 times more legendary than Eddy Merckx.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

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Sean Kelly gets nearly 70,000,000 hits. Which I believe makes him about 170 times more legendary than Eddy Merckx.

Nice! Adam Yates is 25 times as legendary as Eddy Merckx as well. Simon Yates is only 80% the legend that Adam is, though. Now we finally know who the better twin is.

 

[Mr.White]

El Pisti is the real legend here! :razz:

 

[rghysens]

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And who gets "About 13,900,000 results"

me?

nope, about 12.200.000.000

 

[del1962]

Brian Smith gets 221,000,000 results

 

[DFA123]

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Brian Smith gets 221,000,000 results

Wow, forget cycling. He must be in the running for the most legendary sportsman of all time. Perhaps second only to Brazilian striker 'Fred'.


Top of the Pistolero all-time cycling rankings vvvv

 

[El Pistolero]

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This forum gets more and more crazy. The google thing is the most ridiculous way to compare riders. Especially as Pantani had a tempestuous last few years, with expulsions, doping bans, bizarre media appearances and a tragic death accounting for thousands of media coverage than Indurain, who retired back to rural Spain.

Well yeah, that's what makes him a legend. That's what makes Ché Guevarra a legend or mythical hero. You know who lived to old age and isn't considered a hero or legend? Fidel Castro. But if he had died around the same time as Ché...

It's not just results, but your lifestyle, personality and racing behavior that determines if you become a legend.

 

[Gigs_98]

I love this thread :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[Valv.Piti]

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This forum gets more and more crazy. The google thing is the most ridiculous way to compare riders. Especially as Pantani had a tempestuous last few years, with expulsions, doping bans, bizarre media appearances and a tragic death accounting for thousands of media coverage than Indurain, who retired back to rural Spain.

Well yeah, that's what makes him a legend. That's what makes Ché Guevarra a legend or mythical hero. You know who lived to old age and isn't considered a hero or legend? Fidel Castro. But if he had died around the same time as Ché...

It's not just results, but your lifestyle, personality and racing behavior that determines if you become a legend.

Castro aint considered a hero by the Cuban people? :lol:
Oh god, dude. Please do continue. A few posts and views more and we are reaching legendary status here. :lol:

 

[Netserk]

If any Cuban thinks of Castro as a legend or hero, it has to be because of false consciousness. A dictator who has ruined his country. Imagine where Cuba could've been today if it wasn't for that scum.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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If any Cuban thinks of Castro as a legend or hero, it has to be because of false consciousness. A dictator who has ruined his country. Imagine where Cuba could've been today if it wasn't for that scum.

No it really doesn't. Ché is obviously more of a cult figure (at least in the rest of the world), but Castro was beloved by many, many Cubans. While communism and socialism rarely have led to something good (or what was perceived as communism/socialism), the previous dictatorship in Cuba was disastrous and Castro at least provided food and housing for people who had nothing. That many Cubans will forever remember Castro for despite the many shortcomings of socialism.

 

[rick james]

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This forum gets more and more crazy. The google thing is the most ridiculous way to compare riders. Especially as Pantani had a tempestuous last few years, with expulsions, doping bans, bizarre media appearances and a tragic death accounting for thousands of media coverage than Indurain, who retired back to rural Spain.

Well yeah, that's what makes him a legend. That's what makes Ché Guevarra a legend or mythical hero. You know who lived to old age and isn't considered a hero or legend? Fidel Castro. But if he had died around the same time as Ché...

It's not just results, but your lifestyle, personality and racing behavior that determines if you become a legend.

maybe if you're a nut job communist

 

[Netserk]

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If any Cuban thinks of Castro as a legend or hero, it has to be because of false consciousness. A dictator who has ruined his country. Imagine where Cuba could've been today if it wasn't for that scum.

No it really doesn't. Ché is obviously more of a cult figure (at least in the rest of the world), but Castro was beloved by many, many Cubans. While communism and socialism rarely have led to something good (or what was perceived as communism/socialism), the previous dictatorship in Cuba was disastrous and Castro at least provided food and housing for people who had nothing. That many Cubans will forever remember Castro for despite the many shortcomings of socialism.

Yeah, in fantasy world where he shortly afterwards made Cuba democratic. In the real world, people are worse of in Cuba now than before Castro (compared to neighbor countries).

I guess communism was a great thing in Russia as well. At least they came after the Tzar...

 

[Valv.Piti]

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If any Cuban thinks of Castro as a legend or hero, it has to be because of false consciousness. A dictator who has ruined his country. Imagine where Cuba could've been today if it wasn't for that scum.

No it really doesn't. Ché is obviously more of a cult figure (at least in the rest of the world), but Castro was beloved by many, many Cubans. While communism and socialism rarely have led to something good (or what was perceived as communism/socialism), the previous dictatorship in Cuba was disastrous and Castro at least provided food and housing for people who had nothing. That many Cubans will forever remember Castro for despite the many shortcomings of socialism.

Yeah, in fantasy world where he shortly afterwards made Cuba democratic. In the real world, people are worse of in Cuba now than before Castro (compared to neighbor countries).

I guess communism was a great thing in Russia as well. At least they came after the Tzar...

I don't argue Cuba is better off being socialistic. I argue why many Cubans forever will be grateful of Castro and therefore see him as a hero. Dont shift the goalposts - that was my only point. I even pointed out that communism/socialism rarely has led to anything good - you can even argue it never has.

 

[Nick C.]

So if Marlon Brando died in a car accident in the late 50s rather than James Dean, it would be Brando who would be icon and a bloated Dean doing the Isle of Doctor Moreau.

 

[Netserk]

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If any Cuban thinks of Castro as a legend or hero, it has to be because of false consciousness. A dictator who has ruined his country. Imagine where Cuba could've been today if it wasn't for that scum.

No it really doesn't. Ché is obviously more of a cult figure (at least in the rest of the world), but Castro was beloved by many, many Cubans. While communism and socialism rarely have led to something good (or what was perceived as communism/socialism), the previous dictatorship in Cuba was disastrous and Castro at least provided food and housing for people who had nothing. That many Cubans will forever remember Castro for despite the many shortcomings of socialism.

Yeah, in fantasy world where he shortly afterwards made Cuba democratic. In the real world, people are worse of in Cuba now than before Castro (compared to neighbor countries).

I guess communism was a great thing in Russia as well. At least they came after the Tzar...

I don't argue Cuba is better off being socialistic. I argue why many Cubans forever will be grateful of Castro and therefore see him as a hero. Dont shift the goalposts - that was my only point. I even pointed out that communism/socialism rarely has led to anything good - you can even argue it never has.

I don't doubt that some are grateful. It's just obvious that it is due to false consciousness. Not easy to combat that in a country that doesn't have a free press.

 

[Zinoviev Letter]

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Imagine where Cuba could've been today if it wasn't for that scum.

Yes, it could be a giant brothel run by the US mafia and brutal local oligarchs as it was before "that scum". Castro ran a dictatorship and has only ever tolerated dissent within very limited bounds. He's no hero of mine. But the reasons why he is popular in Cuba are neither complicated nor irrational. As for a free press, Cuba certainly doesn't have one, but it is also not North Korea. Cubans have a reasonably accurate picture of life elsewhere, many have been abroad and while the internet is slow and (ineffectually) censored, even more have internet access. They are well aware that there are many countries where most people are considerably richer. They are also aware that many countries are poorer and also that in most countries poorer citizens do not have the guaranteed healthcare, education, employment, housing and food that everyone in Cuba has. Would I move their from Ireland? No. Would I move there from Haiti? As fast as I could.