Not sure if VDV was ever their GC guy, but who is it now? I noticed that the only Garmin guy to finish in the 1st group in stage 3 was farrar. I would think after Dave Z's performance in 07 he would be a candidate, and then there is the inconsistent Tommy D, don't think Millar has a chance. Any guesses?...are they going to stage hunt?..they don't seem to be that successful at that either...
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Whos garmins team leader now?
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They will most certainly go for stages. I wouldn't call 2nd, 5th and 2nd as unsuccessful. It's alot better than 90% of the other teams so far...
I would normally say that they'd give the GC leadership role to Tommy D (not that he'd do well, but he'd be their protected rider for the overall), but in light of the fact that he's already down on time before the road goes upward, I'd say that they DON"T have any GC aspirations.
They'll probably just try to support Tyler on the flat days and hope somebody else gets lucky enough to end up in the day's break. I'll also look for Dave Z to do well in the long ITT.
They'll probably just try to support Tyler on the flat days and hope somebody else gets lucky enough to end up in the day's break. I'll also look for Dave Z to do well in the long ITT.
Top Garmin finisher today?
Bradley Wiggins @ 35th, 32 seconds behind Di Luca.
Tommy D +10:54, finishing with P. Gilbert and M. Pinotti; Dave Z finished +19:50 with the Petacchi, Cav, and Farrar.
Maybe Cav was right about Garmin's focus...
Bradley Wiggins @ 35th, 32 seconds behind Di Luca.
Tommy D +10:54, finishing with P. Gilbert and M. Pinotti; Dave Z finished +19:50 with the Petacchi, Cav, and Farrar.
Maybe Cav was right about Garmin's focus...
benpounder said:
How the heck does Tommy D finish ten minutes back on a moderate climb only three days into a race? Total fail. I give up.
BroDeal said:
BroDeal,
I told you in an earlier post, Tommy D will not finish the Giro. I was taking bets and I am still taking them.
Here is a wild thought VDV is out of the Tour and JV told TD that he is the wild card for the Tour. TD is taking it easy to be the Garmin's leader in July.
Cav is 100% right about Garmin. They are a disrespect to cycling.
no I am not.
Wiggins is not a climber and he was there while the rest of the climbers. Wiggins was the best placed Garmin today. Basically the rest of the team is out of contention for a top 10 placement.
JV saying that their season started with the TTT. Well bro, that is where it started and ended. VDV will not be in shape for the Tour and he was the only card they had.
As far as the Giro goes, they are done and probably looking for stages only as a way to ammend their screw ups.
Wiggins is not a climber and he was there while the rest of the climbers. Wiggins was the best placed Garmin today. Basically the rest of the team is out of contention for a top 10 placement.
JV saying that their season started with the TTT. Well bro, that is where it started and ended. VDV will not be in shape for the Tour and he was the only card they had.
As far as the Giro goes, they are done and probably looking for stages only as a way to ammend their screw ups.
Dr. Wattini said:
as opposed to there original plan which was....?
as far as i can see, they didnt win the TTT thats there only screw up.. you cant blame VdV crashing on the team..
exactly,
what was their original plan?
If you read some of the stuff on the net, they say that they overanalized the TTT. And that was their big objective. They did not accomplish it so they failed
opposed to .... being a good team rather than a pack filler.
what was their original plan?
If you read some of the stuff on the net, they say that they overanalized the TTT. And that was their big objective. They did not accomplish it so they failed
opposed to .... being a good team rather than a pack filler.
actually i think the proof of the garmin pudding is in the eating..
2 years ago where were they..?
even a year ago where were they.. starting there first giro ever, and winning there first stage at the first attempt...
now suddenly a year on we are acting like second place in the TTT, a third place on a stage, is the collapse of the garmin team...
they arent a team with a massive budget, they dont have a great depth of top level cyclists, and theyve only been around a couple of years..
the fact that we are even discussing them, and not cervelho's poor giro so far, or how poorly saxo bank are on the team competition, or lotto, quickstep or rabobank, just shows how far garmin have come in a very short space of time...
2 years ago where were they..?
even a year ago where were they.. starting there first giro ever, and winning there first stage at the first attempt...
now suddenly a year on we are acting like second place in the TTT, a third place on a stage, is the collapse of the garmin team...
they arent a team with a massive budget, they dont have a great depth of top level cyclists, and theyve only been around a couple of years..
the fact that we are even discussing them, and not cervelho's poor giro so far, or how poorly saxo bank are on the team competition, or lotto, quickstep or rabobank, just shows how far garmin have come in a very short space of time...
I would guess that Garmin is well aware that without CVV (and even with him maybe) they don't have a real GC contender, thus they are looking for stage victories in the Sprints (Farrar) and non-climber specialist stages (since TommyD has proved hopeless as a climber in big races) for the rest of the gang (Millar, Zabriskie, et al.) in breakaways.
The chances of a breakaway to succeed is much greater if there is no one in the break is even close on GC, so what do you do on the first climbers stage? Lose lots of time so you are far enough down to not be any sort of threat to the GC in a breakaway. Of course whether that is premeditated or just and afterthought after your realize you are not able to hang with the fast(er) guys.
OR
In an attempt to prove that you are a "clean team" and that everyone else is doping, you have all your riders finish way down on GC and pronounce that everyone in front of them is "totally juiced"
The chances of a breakaway to succeed is much greater if there is no one in the break is even close on GC, so what do you do on the first climbers stage? Lose lots of time so you are far enough down to not be any sort of threat to the GC in a breakaway. Of course whether that is premeditated or just and afterthought after your realize you are not able to hang with the fast(er) guys.
OR
In an attempt to prove that you are a "clean team" and that everyone else is doping, you have all your riders finish way down on GC and pronounce that everyone in front of them is "totally juiced"
Dr. Wattini said:
Wiggins was there on one day and not a very hard one at that. When he's up there consistently I'll start thinking somethings fishy. Also, I think people are taking that Vaughters quote way too seriously. They obviously cared about getting Farrar a stage win in Tirreno Adriatico and Maaskant was a big hope at Flanders/Roubaix. Oh, and CVV at Paris-Nice. I think he just meant that after last year the TTT was the first time they were an obvious favourite. As far as the Tour goes they have plenty of stage win possibilities and Hesjedal gained a lot of confidence this spring, I'd say he has a shot at being this year's CVV.
JayZee said:In an attempt to prove that you are a "clean team" and that everyone else is doping, you have all your riders finish way down on GC and pronounce that everyone in front of them is "totally juiced"
Good God, have we become that cynical that we think teams are riding badly deliberately to make others "look" like they are cheating, might as well just quit if that is the case.
I agree with the comment that Garmin are the same team as last season and are not doing any worse than last Giro except that they won the TTT last time out. Garmin know their limitations and focus on what they are good at, I think the media surrounding them gives them a higher profile than their abilities as a team.
They are a middle of the road team with a few good time-triallists who are vocal about anti-doping, ya esta. They will compete for stages now and have actually had a better season this year than last year.
I wonder what BigBoat thinks of them fall inishing so far down today, he usually suggests riders wouldnt make the top 50 if doping, which is what happened to Garmin apart from Wiggins.
BroDeal said:
Some random guy in the comments on Garmin-Slipstream site said that TD crashed with 10 km to go. Dunno if it's true, but if so it's a different (though not totally unexpected) explanation for TD's lameness.
After TD's loud whining about being excluded from G-S's 2008 TDF team, I expected something better...
BroDeal said:
As I am sure many will know - some riders will choose to loose time like this early in a long stage race - the idea being that if they get into a break in the following days the main contenders will let them go and they have more chance of winning a stage.
Not sure if this is Tom D's strategy but it will be for many others
180mmCrank said:
and if you look at the garmin riders that finished that far back it makes sense.... no doubt while cycling along yesterday discussions are taking place with other riders and teams as to when they should have their little day out off the front..
Looks like Tommy D can't even coast correctly, ended up only ~8 minutes down today unlike his much wiser friends Pate, Zabriski, and Meyer who were at 11+ minutes down,
on a spinters stage.
Could they show any more contempt for the Giro?
I am sure Farrar appreciates the support...
on a spinters stage.
Could they show any more contempt for the Giro?
I am sure Farrar appreciates the support...
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