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For the UCI by making doping illegal but by tolerating it at the same time gives them tremendous control over the riders and results.
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VeloCity said:Yeah, I've already said that, but again, the original question was, who is really responsible for doping? Well, when phrased that way, that would be the athlete's themselves. It's not the UCI, it's not the Ferrari's, it's not the Bruyneel's - they aid and abet and encourage, no question there whatsoever, but to paraphrase Truman, the buck stops with the guys poking themselves with the needles.
Race Radio said:Thanks again for proving my point. Even you admit the fans harassed anyone who questioned the myth
Doping is a large problem in cycling (and probably most other sports) because - even if the overseeing agency was completely competent and honest - it's next to impossible to stop it. Riders know it; DS' know it; the Ferrari's know it. No anti-doping agency has the power to stop it. If you know you can probably get away with it, that you can beat the testing, there's little incentive not to dope. It's less a systemic problem than it one of simple logistics - there's almost no way of preventing athletes from doping. So they do it.Dr. Maserati said:If doping was a small problem of just a few individuals then I would agree that those individuals are responsible - but in cycling doping is a systematic problem.
VeloCity said:I think that's the biggest myth of all, that doping only exists because the UCI tolerates it. Again, I'm no fan of the UCI, but to me this idea that they can make it disappear if they really wanted to is just a way of shifting responsibility away from the riders.
Let's say that the UCI wasn't corrupt, etc. How exactly would they end doping in the peloton?
VeloCity said:Doping is a large problem in cycling (and probably most other sports) because - even if the overseeing agency was completely competent and honest - it's next to impossible to stop it. Riders know it; DS' know it; the Ferrari's know it. No anti-doping agency has the power to stop it. If you know you can probably get away with it, that you can beat the testing, there's little incentive not to dope. It's less a systemic problem than it one of simple logistics - there's almost no way of preventing athletes from doping. So they do it.
VeloCity said:Doping is a large problem in cycling (and probably most other sports) because - even if the overseeing agency was completely competent and honest - it's next to impossible to stop it....
DirtyWorks said:99% of that is nonsense. Back test samples 3-5 years and take away results for positives for 3-5 years. Let's assume for a minute the UCI isn't hiding positives if they start back testing.
That alone would discourage doping. As has been stated many times now, the system is not set up to discourage doping.
What's left is blood transfusions. No test that I'm aware of for detecting a transfusion.
JRTinMA said:This game is ill from the inside, money and corruption destroyed this sport.
BotanyBay said:As is the Earth itself. We're all literally bombarded with truisms about the badness that exists out there from the time we're little kids. And being that institutions of this scale are typically ALL ill from the inside, all we're left with are our own individual choices that we eventually make.
We've seen the enemy, and it is us. Eventually you have to recognize that you've also been an enabler and be willing to take a stand and say / do something.
lostintime said:Yes. Boogey men .. it's always "them". lol
We create our own sense of reality.
Reminds me of the classic Twilight Zone Episode .... The Monsters are Due On Maple Street . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FhENDHul6Q&feature=related
Create a little chaos and watch people destroy each other over finding "who's to blame" for the mess we created for ourselves. I wonder how many really get it? ?
MacRoadie said:That must make Pat and Hein the two aliens...
As Thomas Frei said, the only reason he tested positive for EPO was because he forgot to drink enough water. Landis made it abundantly clear how easy it was to get around testing.DirtyWorks said:99% of that is nonsense. Back test samples 3-5 years and take away results for positives for 3-5 years. Let's assume for a minute the UCI isn't hiding positives if they start back testing.
That alone would discourage doping. As has been stated many times now, the system is not set up to discourage doping.
What's left is blood transfusions. No test that I'm aware of for detecting a transfusion.