Why are British cyclists so much better than Australian cyclists?

[53 x 11]

Ha very true...I wonder if it will take me the whole extra 10 months experience you've had to get there?

You're getting it quick.

Inability to deal with sarcasm is a good start.

 

[Saddlesaw]

You're getting it quick.

Inability to deal with sarcasm is a good start.

See I am still learning...I thought was me being sarky right back......

 

[Anonymous]

You're getting it quick.

Inability to deal with sarcasm is a good start.

you also have to get over the guilt you get from wasting so much time on a meaningless activity. But isn't it always nice to hear one's own voice? I think so.

 

[Archibald]

Thought some of my might be interested in this. We do have some climbs in South Australia even if they are not monsters. Pity our race has to be run before the season starts.

so where does Norton Summit fit in there?

 

[top_tenz_finish]

I think you will all find that British cyclists are so much better than Australian cyclists because (Australian) Rupert Murdoch has paid for this to become a fact. Any arguments are now null and void because we have lots of money and flashy team buses and kits so it must be true that we also have the best riders.
(GT standings, what do they count for?)

 

[Fester]

Dan Lloyd, Jez Hunt, Roger Hammond, Steve Cummings, Dan Fleeman...:

Jez Hunt I believe was born in Canada...

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

So....can anyone tell me where the british and australian cyclists are in the general classification of this years Tour?

 

[Martin318is]

Short answer is that they are pretty much ALL down the back thinking about next year. Those pesky mainland Euros!

 

[MadonePro]

2010 TDF top 5

1. Evans
2. Armstrong
3. A. Schleck
4. Basso
5. Contador

Okies, time has proven me wrong, but i'm manning up, but not paying up
But thought i'd add my ten pennies worth

1. Injurys and the Giro... Thinking the Giro might be the Tour most suited to Cadel.

2. Armstrong, he proved he's human, but posters were right, not up there any more, but at least he had a go.

3. A.Schleck, great effort, had a great team, the chain drop was the talking point, but let's not forget, he might have lost 40 odd seconds before he was up riding again, but he was done a lot more than that, and was giving it all to catch up, surely he should have been closer?
4. Basso, think the Giro cooked him, never looked the same, but I feel the Giro is always his target.
5. Contador, not on top form, I was a little bit right here, the team did let him done, or should I say Vino! He stated he wasn't well for some of it (must have been the steak), but i'll never forget the duel up the tourmalet!

 

[auscyclefan94]

Yes the brits were present in the worlds yesterday!
Lets have a look at some results....
DNF Jeremy Hunt (Great Britain)
DNF Mark Cavendish (Great Britain)
DNF David Millar (Great Britain)

Pathetic!!!!!

Australia
3 Allan Davis (Australia)
17 Cadel Evans (Australia)
45 Stuart O`Grady (Australia
94 Mathew Hayman (Australia)
95 Wesley Sulzberger (Australia)
96 Michael Rogers (Australia
DNF Matthew Harley Goss (Australia)
DNF Simon Gerrans (Australia)
DNF Baden Cooke (Australia)

You guys might be a bit better on the track but we own you guys when on the road.

 

[stefrees]

I think any sane Brit would agree currently aus have a larger pool of stronger riders, but to base your reasoning on a world champs between a 3 man team and a 9 man team isn't the best case fir your argument

Yes the brits were present in the worlds
yesterday!
Lets have a look at some results....
DNF Jeremy Hunt (Great Britain)
DNF Mark Cavendish (Great Britain)
DNF David Millar (Great Britain)

Pathetic!!!!!

Australia
3 Allan Davis (Australia)
17 Cadel Evans (Australia)
45 Stuart O`Grady (Australia
94 Mathew Hayman (Australia)
95 Wesley Sulzberger (Australia)
96 Michael Rogers (Australia
DNF Matthew Harley Goss (Australia)
DNF Simon Gerrans (Australia)
DNF Baden Cooke (Australia)

You guys might be a bit better on the track but we own you guys when on the road.

 

[mortailcoil]

Not true to the OP.

I feel Aussies are miles better.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I think any sane Brit would agree currently aus have a larger pool of stronger riders, but to base your reasoning on a world champs between a 3 man team and a 9 man team isn't the best case fir your argument

100% of british riders DNF
33% of Australian riders DNF with a 3rd place

Maybe we should look at the medal tally?

Anyway, why didn't Britain qualitfy more riders?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Lol at this topic

 

[The Hitch]

100% of british riders DNF
33% of Australian riders DNF with a 3rd place

Maybe we should look at the medal tally?

Anyway, why didn't Britain qualitfy more riders?

It wasnt just that Australia are better in road race,(which atm they are). Remember Australia was rewarded with places, for its great Giro with the 3 jerseys and few stage wins, but Britain was not rewarded for its good Vuelta with 3 stage wins and a green jersey.

 

[euanli]

Lol at this topic

Yeah. Even for the CN forum this has to be one of the more dubious topics I've seen for one side just to troll the other.

And there are many reason for Aus getting more riders than GB. But HTC deciding to send Cav to the ToC instead of the Giro might be another one.

We shall see where things are next year. I think it might be a better one for the Brits, with the likes of Blythe coming good.

(But if we turn our attention (and ignore the usual sexist ********) to the Womens race GB had 4 women in the top 20, where as Aus had none finishing in the top 20 group at all.)

 

[pedaling squares]

100% of british riders DNF
33% of Australian riders DNF with a 3rd place

Maybe we should look at the medal tally?

Anyway, why didn't Britain qualitfy more riders?

I have it at 3-2 AUS for the road events. Hardly a whitewash.

 

[Anonymous]

Yes the brits were present in the worlds yesterday!
Lets have a look at some results....
DNF Jeremy Hunt (Great Britain)
DNF Mark Cavendish (Great Britain)
DNF David Millar (Great Britain)

Pathetic!!!!!

Australia
3 Allan Davis (Australia)
17 Cadel Evans (Australia)
45 Stuart O`Grady (Australia
94 Mathew Hayman (Australia)
95 Wesley Sulzberger (Australia)
96 Michael Rogers (Australia
DNF Matthew Harley Goss (Australia)
DNF Simon Gerrans (Australia)
DNF Baden Cooke (Australia)

You guys might be a bit better on the track but we own you guys when on the road.

thats a ridiculous argument.. you had three non finishers, gb had three non finishers.

medal table, we both had a gold, both had a silver, and you had a bronze where we had a 4th place.

Hardly OWNING, so the clincher is Alan Davis getting 3rd While Nicole Cooke got 4th. Perhaps they should have a race-off.

 

[Anonymous]

It wasnt just that Australia are better in road race,(which atm they are). Remember Australia was rewarded with places, for its great Giro with the 3 jerseys and few stage wins, but Britain was not rewarded for its good Vuelta with 3 stage wins and a green jersey.

very good point.

 

[Nick777]

Is Cav British? Or is he like most of the English Cricket team - eg born in Zimbabwe/South Africa/West Indies/India, but has a great great great grandfather who once stayed in a B&B in Essex somewhere?

As a side note, how the hell did Baden Cooke get a ride yesterday?
He hasn't done a lot lately.

 

[The Hitch]

Is Cav British? Or is he like most of the English Cricket team - eg born in Zimbabwe/South Africa/West Indies/India, but has a great great great grandfather who once stayed in a B&B in Essex somewhere?

As a side note, how the hell did Baden Cooke get a ride yesterday?
He hasn't done a lot lately.

Cav is from the Isle of Man

 

[Anonymous]

I think what you should remember ACF is that 3 riders will have to do a lot more work than 9 riders, therefore the 3 will tire more quickly.

By that argument the three british riders did loads of work then retired, the aussies with 9 riders to share the workload barely had anything to do, so 3 of them retiring shows just how bad they are.

So therefore GB are better than australia.

 

[Martin318is]

I think what you should remember ACF is that 3 riders will have to do a lot more work than 9 riders, therefore the 3 will tire more quickly.

By that argument the three british riders did loads of work then retired, the aussies with 9 riders to share the workload barely had anything to do, so 3 of them retiring shows just how bad they are.

So therefore GB are better than australia.

really.....

remind me again why the Brits decided not to send their other 6 invited riders? Did you feel that your 3 riders were strong enough to not need the other 6 as support?

Its blatantly stupid to argue the strength of a country's abilities on the basis of one event (no I am not directing that at you TSF).

That said, I never saw a male British rider at the front of the bunch on the weekend - not once. Thats not an argument that the Aussies were stronger (even though they were all over the front of the bunch for most of the day) its just an observation that the Brits did stuff all.

 

[auscyclefan94]

I think what you should remember ACF is that 3 riders will have to do a lot more work than 9 riders, therefore the 3 will tire more quickly.

By that argument the three british riders did loads of work then retired, the aussies with 9 riders to share the workload barely had anything to do, so 3 of them retiring shows just how bad they are.

So therefore GB are better than australia.

I don't understand how they would of had to do more work? They were never on the front andjust hung mid pack untilthey popped out the
back.

Martin318is, I think these champs do prove the strength of aus cycling against british cycling. If Brits did stuff all and Aus were omnipresent then that does mean Australia are a better cycling nation. You can not say they did stuff all and also say that they are not worse than a country that did lots!

 

[Martin318is]

Martin318is, I think these champs do prove the strength of aus cycling against british cycling. If Brits did stuff all and Aus were omnipresent then that does mean Australia are a better cycling nation. You can not say they did stuff all and also say that they are not worse than a country that did lots!

but you CAN say that one race does not successfully survive analysis as a basis for generalisation.

If you could do that then you would happily argue (for a minute or two) that Swiss cycling is much stronger than Belgium on the basis of Fabian vs Tom at this year's Roubaix.

Don't get me wrong, I do think that Cavendish in particular should probably be quite embarrassed now - with good reason.