Why does Paul Kimmage no longer work for the Sunday Times?

[D-Queued]

To the highlighted - pretty simple, not everyone (or country) has the absurd notions of the US.
You appear to confuse PEDs with recreational drugs.

No.

You appear to not understand that the rules are the rules, whether you like them or not.

There are many, many UCI rules that I loathe and protest, but I don't break them.

Dave.

 

[benny_profane]

At the risk of this getting sidetracked you literally cannot say for definite what he's smoking in that photo.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

No.

You appear to not understand that the rules are the rules, whether you like them or not.

There are many, many UCI rules that I loathe and protest, but I don't break them.

Dave.

Can you quote the rule (UCIs/ WADA whoevers) that says smoking is banned?
Thanks.

 

[D-Queued]

Can you quote the rule (UCIs/ WADA whoevers) that says smoking is banned?
Thanks.

Only if we switch this dialog to the Sky thread.

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Only if we switch this dialog to the Sky thread.

Dave.

So you. claim something - and now wish to answer it in another thread?!

This thread, the other thread, a new thread - I don't care where you post it.

 

[kielbasa]

To the highlighted - pretty simple, not everyone (or country) has the absurd notions of the US.
You appear to confuse PEDs with recreational drugs.

In the case of the former, a group of people think it should be legal 'cause it's no big deal. As opposed to the the latter where a totally different group of people think it should be legal 'cause it's no big deal. Strangely though, both groups are called dopers.

 

[D-Queued]

So you. claim something - and now wish to answer it in another thread?!

This thread, the other thread, a new thread - I don't care where you post it.

The dialog sprung from Python's post, but is now way off topic on this thread.

However, you want to stay here, let the mods note that I offered a better place to debate.

With respect to the very comparable actions of Phelps and Wigging, we don't know if Phelps was smoking tobacco or weed. It didn't matter. They both are Olympic gold medalists in the spotlight. Wiggins as both an ambassador of the sport, and more importantly an ambassador of the UK.

In fact, Wiggins opened the 'frickin Olympic Ceremony.

You appear, however, to be purposefully playing dumb. It is simpler than an educated guess that he was not smoking tobacco.

Of course, if you want to play that game, then what if it were crack or crystal meth?

For such a high profile figure, it was a dumb move.

Too bad there wasn't an OOC test. Why wasn't there?

OR, steering the dialog back towards Kimmage, was he trying to write about this when he got sacked?

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The dialog sprung from Python's post, but is now way off topic on this thread.

However, you want to stay here, let the mods note that I offered a better place to debate.

no, I allowed you choose. Don't make stuff up.

With respect to the very comparable actions of Phelps and Wigging, we don't know if Phelps was smoking tobacco or weed. It didn't matter. They both are Olympic gold medalists in the spotlight. Wiggins as both an ambassador of the sport, and more importantly an ambassador of the UK.

In fact, Wiggins opened the 'frickin Olympic Ceremony.

You appear, however, to be purposefully playing dumb. It is simpler than an educated guess that he was not smoking tobacco.

Of course, if you want to play that game, then what if it were crack or crystal meth?

Firstly - you have no idea what Brad was smoking.

Crack, Chrystal meth? I actually don't care - as it has nothing to do with athletic performance.
WADA are not the police, not part of the God Squad - It is not their role to say how people should conduct themselves away from the sport.
The "ambassador" arguement is bogus.

For such a high profile figure, it was a dumb move.

Too bad there wasn't an OOC test. Why wasn't there?

OR, steering the dialog back towards Kimmage, was he trying to write about this when he got sacked?

Dave.

A dumb move- I agree, but he was photographed secretly, it's not like he took a light from the Olympic flame.

As for Kimmage- well, as he was let go long before this then I think we can safely say that is a poor conspiracy.

 

[BroDeal]

Too bad there wasn't an OOC test. Why wasn't there?

Smoking weed out of competition is not against the rules.

Of course we all know that Wiggins travelled to place known for recreational dope so he could smoke tobacco instead.

 

[D-Queued]

...
(1) The "ambassador" arguement is bogus.


(2) A dumb move- I agree, but he was photographed secretly, it's not like he took a light from the Olympic flame.

As for Kimmage- well, as he was let go long before this then I think we can safely say that is a poor conspiracy.

On #1, we disagree. While I generally respect and appreciate your opinions, I don't think this is a bogus argument.

Bradley Wiggins opens Olympic ceremony

Being selected to represent your country like that in front of 1 billion viewers is a pretty big deal.

On #2, we agree. It was a dumb move.

We don't have to go beyond that, and I am not presuming a broader or more fundamental agreement.

As noted, I am not seeking a quarrel with you.

My original point was that I can see an argument for why Python put that photo of Wiggins in his example set.

Dave.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

On #1, we disagree. While I generally respect and appreciate your opinions, I don't think this is a bogus argument.

Bradley Wiggins opens Olympic ceremony

Being selected to represent your country like that in front of 1 billion viewers is a pretty big deal.

Ok- was Wiggins asked to that because:
A. He is a non smoker, who doesn't swear, and talks the Queens English?
Or
B. because he just won the Tour de France.?

On #2, we agree. It was a dumb move.

We don't have to go beyond that, and I am not presuming a broader or more fundamental agreement.

As noted, I am not seeking a quarrel with you.

My original point was that I can see an argument for why Python put that photo of Wiggins in his example set.

Dave.

Firstly, it was not Python who posted the pic.

More on point - you objected to my pointing out that there is a difference in PEDs and recreational drugs.
Someone having a smoke (whatever it contains) has no bearing on cheating - unless Brads Mammy didn't know.

 

[D-Queued]

Ok- was Wiggins asked to that because:
A. He is a non smoker, who doesn't swear, and talks the Queens English?
Or
B. because he just won the Tour de France.?


Firstly, it was not Python who posted the pic.

More on point - you objected to my pointing out that there is a difference in PEDs and recreational drugs.
Someone having a smoke (whatever it contains) has no bearing on cheating - unless Brads Mammy didn't know.

Go argue with them. You appear to be pedantic:

http://list.wada-ama.org/list/s8-cannabinoids/#marijuana

Natural (e.g. cannabis, hashish, marijuana) or synthetic delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabimimetics [e.g. “Spice” (containing JWH018, JWH073), HU-210] are prohibited.

Dave.

 

[kingjr]

Prohibited or not, insinuating Wiggins is a cheater by posting a picture of him smoking a cigarette is nonsense.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Go argue with them. You appear to be pedantic:

http://list.wada-ama.org/list/s8-cannabinoids/#marijuana

Natural (e.g. cannabis, hashish, marijuana) or synthetic delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabimimetics [e.g. “Spice” (containing JWH018, JWH073), HU-210] are prohibited.

Dave.

It seems WADA are pedantic too - as they have classed cannabinoids in "Substances Prohibited In-competition".

 

[the big ring]

Post moved here.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Dr M is forgetting perhaps that Brad (who trains at 95% "all year") was going to race the Tour of Denmark... until the ciggy pics were released.

Timeline:
August 8th: Wiggins and Cavendish to ride Tour of Denmak - no hint of tiredness. They would have been commanding an appearance fee, no question. http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cavendish-wiggins-headline-team-sky-at-tour-of-denmark



August 13th, Wiggins still going: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ot...s-Mark-Cavendish-ride-Post-Danmark-Rundt.html

August 14th: Wiggins lights up a ciggy: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...d-medal-wine-cigarettes-holiday-Mallorca.html

August 16th (15th in England): Cav going, but not Wiggins: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/no-wiggins-in-tour-of-denmark


Probably when the metabolites have cleared from his system... I am surprised Dr M needs this spelt out so plainly for him...

One last time - PEDs.
Are you going to argue that smoking (regardless what is in it) is going to somehow enhance his performance?

 

[the big ring]

One last time - PEDs.
Are you going to argue that smoking (regardless what is in it) is going to somehow enhance his performance?

No.

I am going to argue that Marijuana is banned in competition by WADA.

I am going to argue that if the photo had not been released, he would have raced Tour of Denmark.

I am going to argue that had Brad raced Tour of Denmark and been tested, he could have tested positive for marijuana metabolites. And that he smoked anyway indicates he didn't care about testing positive. Like someone else we know.

I am going to argue that "marginal gains" and "marginal gains" alone are what are claimed to be the reason Sky are dominating so much this year.

I am going to argue that filling your lungs with smoke - regardless of what is in it - makes a mockery of the "marginal gains" theory.

I am going to argue that filling your lungs with smoke makes a mockery of the alleged "focus" and "dedication" Brad has that allows him to win with impunity.

I am going to argue that this adds a very small piece to the very large jigsaw puzzle that is Sky and their performance.

 

[the big ring]

One last time - PEDs.
Are you going to argue that smoking (regardless what is in it) is going to somehow enhance his performance?

I took it to the Sky thread.

 

[jimbags]

Loonies. Absolute loons.

 

[kielbasa]

Loonies. Absolute loons.

Welcome to the clinic, but please do not disturb the patients. They'll freak out and complain to the staff. The staff do not care about right or wrong, they just want peace and order. Disturbing peace and order is a ban-able offense.

 

[BroDeal]

One last time - PEDs.
Are you going to argue that smoking (regardless what is in it) is going to somehow enhance his performance?

A rider who spends his vacation smoking doobies probably won't have much of a problem using PEDs. Possible health issues certainly won't be a consideration.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

This turned into one of the most ridiculous discussions I have ever seen here. Talk about jumping to conclusions based on absolutely no evidence!

Susan

 

[Digger]

This turned into one of the most ridiculous discussions I have ever seen here. Talk about jumping to conclusions based on absolutely no evidence!

Susan

Susan, you're being naive...Stories pulled on a repeated basis, by editors, because of doping.

 

[Cycle Chic]

This turned into one of the most ridiculous discussions I have ever seen here. Talk about jumping to conclusions based on absolutely no evidence!

Susan

Ha..and she didnt think Laura Lyn was ridiculous

 

[Benotti69]

At the risk of this getting sidetracked you literally cannot say for definite what he's smoking in that photo.

If the British anti doping were really anti doping thy would've tested Wiggins the day after the pic was published. Marijuana stays in the system for a considerable amount of time.

But why would they want to catch and athlete taking/smoking a banned substance