Remember how Papp was outraged when Andrew Tilin doped to write a book? The two go back a bit.
From: Mike
Subject: Re: You are apparently now famous
Thanks for the e-mail alert Big Jonny, I just read some of Joe’s posts on that blog link you sent.
It’s a badge of honor to be despised and smeared by Joe Papp. I am in good company.
I was interviewed by Andrew Tillin the author of the Outside mag article on Joe. He wrote a very sympathetic article towards Joe. Then Joe writes that post about Andrew in his blog, where he claims Andrew misrepresented him. On the phone with Andrew, you should of heard the sympathy coming from Andrew regarding Joe. Andrew was very conscious of illustrating both sides of Joe, the scam artist side, and also what path Joe has taken; we talked about the duality of Joe Papp for some time. But Joe is playing the victim. That’s his story and he’s sticking to it. Andrew said to me; “Do you know who gave me your name and contact info? Joe Papp himself.”
Of course he did.
Joe set up the whole interview and Outside magazine article. He supplied the names, the contacts, the stories. Andrew checked them out to determine if they were true enough … and he went with it. Joe is
pretending that it is all some evil plot, and he’s a good guy done in by a investigative reporter “heavy”. Joe worked side by side with Andrew over a period of months to write that article. Andrew told me he didn’t do a whole lot of peripheral work, he did enough to see what themes emerged and to check if it was true. That article is no conspiracy about Joe, it’s Joe himself. Andrew let Joe present himself, and Andrew stayed true to what Joe presented in all ways.
Joe’s point is to pretend the vitriol pointed towards him, is because he took a stand against doping (after being the biggest doper America has ever produced, after Tyler Hamilton, geez, maybe bigger than Tyler). But that isn’t it at all. Nobody here cares if Joe “spit in the soup” or not. That’s a Euro peloton thing with it’s decades of tacitly known doping culture. That’s not an American ethic or viewpoint. America always believes in the underdog, the person who does bad, turns around and makes a comeback. Americans are not against Joe Papp the Doper, other than the racers who he cheated at race after race, year after year while Joe was doped and they were not. In the classic “spit in the soup” theme it’s the other racers who dope who hate the informant. But that’s not who is turning out against Joe. It is the racers who DID NOT DOPE who hate Joe.
The vitriol directed at Joe is from the people who’ve known him for years and years, and know what a incessant scam artist he is. He’s always pulling a manipulation, an untrue conclusion from a story of
half-truths, a “business deal” that is clearly a scam. Also the Division 3 racers, who are just working stiffs and love to race and are not dopers, and then there is Joe who was stealing their winnings for years, doping like crazy, amongst guys who make maybe 20K a year doing the pro cycling thing.
Joe is hated, because he is a scumbag. His USADA case against Floyd Landis is a classic example. Everybody who knows Joe, knows why Joe did it. For the attention. The same reason he netted and fostered the Outside magazine article. He never knew Floyd. He never raced at Floyd’s level. Joe knew not one iota about Floyd but Joe was delighted to frame Floyd, because with Joe’s doping positive it was of course the next logical way that Joe could gain attention. No way was Joe getting out of that Tour of Turkey positive, so by helping to frame Floyd, he was taking that doping positive and doing the best he could with it to further promote Joe, which is what Joe does 24/7. The testosterone medical experts factually refuted Joe’s testimony on the effects of testosterone as Joe utilized it at Floyd’s trial. Even in doping, Joe couldn’t get it right.
Joe does not care if people dope or not. He’s not anti doping. He’s pro Joe Papp. He’s after whatever story line he can milk to publicize himself, that’s easy to see from his various blogs and the posts in the blogs (such as where he interviews himself) and constant self injection into situations he’s not really a part of. Right now the Joe Papp shtick is to pretend he is hated because he stood up against doping. That’s not it at all. Joe is hated by people who know Joe, were tricked by Joe, were scammed by Joe, were badmouthed without reason by Joe. Joe is hated because of Joe, not for any political or policy stance he’s taken.
Since I am in the science circles, I asked friends of mine to work /pro bono/ for months to go over Joe’s lab results and help him defend his case. They made phone calls, did research, and went to all ends to pick apart the STRONG factual evidence against Joe. They found out all their work, and their professional reputations compromised by Joe when they read about Joe “flipping” in the news when Joe became a “surprise” witness against Floyd Landis. Joe Papp never notified his defense “team”
that he was going to flip. Those people were never given a statement by Joe that they could disclose to all the professional contacts they had pulled that Joe had lied to them. Why didn’t Joe inform them? Because Joe was done with them and tossed them away like a rag. That was part of an old deceased Joe Papp scam.
Joe was onto the next thing. Joe is always onto the next thing, the next false con of Joe Papp about Joe Papp. I feel really really bad for the people I asked to help on Joe’s defense. On my word they spent weeks on defending him and made fools of themselves to other professional colleagues. I let my friends down. Joe Papp lied to me again and again and again. I believed Joe and I was a fool. I feel bad for Floyd Landis. Joe helped to frame Floyd and make Floyd look dirty when Joe had not one bit of knowledge of Floyd Landis. Thanks for giving me space to write this out. I think I’ve told enough of the story. The record is there and I think it is pretty clear to anyone who cares to waste time reading it.
Best Regards,
Mike Dropkin
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